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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3220838, member: 85693"]There was a thread last month that I put in my 2 denarii worth last month. At the risk of repetitiveness, below is my contribution. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cast-coinage.324097/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cast-coinage.324097/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cast-coinage.324097/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, fakes abound. Most of them, after a little experience, are easily detected. Some are trickier (such as the OP, and some others in this thread). A few rules I observe:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Avoid the high-end stuff. I do this for budgetary reasons, but also because the fakes are abundant in this material. For instance, I rarely even glance at Tiberius "tribute pennies" - they have been faked so many times (sometimes skillfully) that I'd want an expert opinion before I'd bid on one. </p><p><br /></p><p>2. Avoid high-grade stuff. I like ancient coins because they are ancient, so my coins tend to have problems - wear, bad patina, off-center, etc. These kind of coins tend not to be faked (there are exceptions - the RR denarius with the coining tools has a very common low-grade fake - off-center, banker's mark, etc. It has been posted many times). The OP examples are an interesting case - these are fairly high end coins where some care has been taken to age them. They would've fooled me, but they were probably out of my price range anyway. </p><p><br /></p><p>3. Everybody says "it it's too good to be true, it isn't true." I agree with this <i>most</i> of the time, but one of the reasons I hang around eBay so much is because of the exceptions. A Calabria, Tarentum nomos came my way in a $30 "buy it now" auction from a world coin dealer who doesn't deal many ancients: </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/tarentum-mar-30-2017-4-jpg.828552/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>This sort of deal can be found if you can wade through gazillions of over-priced, if genuine auctions and lots of (mostly obvious) fakes. Personally, I like the hunt and I don't take the fakes personally - if I get mad, then I am not having fun, and I am here for the enjoyment. </p><p><br /></p><p>So I stick to lower-end, more common material. But this being said, there are lower-end fakes on eBay, and I have been fooled. Below are three from recent years. Here is how they got me:</p><p><br /></p><p>Gordian III Sestertius - I found this in the jewelry section; the seller made no claims for the condition, and I thought it looked nice, despite being in a bezel. I had handled very few 3rd century AEs at this point, and I bid. As soon as I took it out of the bezel, I could see the very wrong edge - filed-down seam, I think - this and the fact it weighed 10.5 grams led me to conclude it is fake - a rather nice cast, but fake.</p><p><br /></p><p>Maximinus Follis - This was a $1.99 "buy it now" with a blurry photo. I was quite inexperienced with late Roman bronzes, but I liked the looks of this one (great portrait). The fact it is corroded led me to believe that it was ancient. Nope. I believe this is a museum replica of some sort - it has that antique pewter thing going on. The corrosion might be where it was glued to a card? Even the corrosion was fake!</p><p><br /></p><p>Hadrian Sestertius: This one really fooled me - who would fake such a worn specimen? Well, somebody did. This one has an obvious casting seam (see close up photo) and weighs 14.4 grams. The seller is a reliable world coin guy who said in the auction he wasn't sure of authenticity - the other two coins in the lot were genuine LRB of Valens in pretty nice shape, so for what I paid it was still an okay deal. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-0-jpg.828563/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-6-jpg.828564/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-7-jpg.828565/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>All three of these coins were for me very <i>educational</i> - and not very expensive. Some find the idea of any fake to be so off-putting that they avoid eBay altogether. I respect that. But I like the hunt (and the bargains) found there.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 3220838, member: 85693"]There was a thread last month that I put in my 2 denarii worth last month. At the risk of repetitiveness, below is my contribution. [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cast-coinage.324097/[/url] Yes, fakes abound. Most of them, after a little experience, are easily detected. Some are trickier (such as the OP, and some others in this thread). A few rules I observe: 1. Avoid the high-end stuff. I do this for budgetary reasons, but also because the fakes are abundant in this material. For instance, I rarely even glance at Tiberius "tribute pennies" - they have been faked so many times (sometimes skillfully) that I'd want an expert opinion before I'd bid on one. 2. Avoid high-grade stuff. I like ancient coins because they are ancient, so my coins tend to have problems - wear, bad patina, off-center, etc. These kind of coins tend not to be faked (there are exceptions - the RR denarius with the coining tools has a very common low-grade fake - off-center, banker's mark, etc. It has been posted many times). The OP examples are an interesting case - these are fairly high end coins where some care has been taken to age them. They would've fooled me, but they were probably out of my price range anyway. 3. Everybody says "it it's too good to be true, it isn't true." I agree with this [I]most[/I] of the time, but one of the reasons I hang around eBay so much is because of the exceptions. A Calabria, Tarentum nomos came my way in a $30 "buy it now" auction from a world coin dealer who doesn't deal many ancients: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/tarentum-mar-30-2017-4-jpg.828552/[/IMG] This sort of deal can be found if you can wade through gazillions of over-priced, if genuine auctions and lots of (mostly obvious) fakes. Personally, I like the hunt and I don't take the fakes personally - if I get mad, then I am not having fun, and I am here for the enjoyment. So I stick to lower-end, more common material. But this being said, there are lower-end fakes on eBay, and I have been fooled. Below are three from recent years. Here is how they got me: Gordian III Sestertius - I found this in the jewelry section; the seller made no claims for the condition, and I thought it looked nice, despite being in a bezel. I had handled very few 3rd century AEs at this point, and I bid. As soon as I took it out of the bezel, I could see the very wrong edge - filed-down seam, I think - this and the fact it weighed 10.5 grams led me to conclude it is fake - a rather nice cast, but fake. Maximinus Follis - This was a $1.99 "buy it now" with a blurry photo. I was quite inexperienced with late Roman bronzes, but I liked the looks of this one (great portrait). The fact it is corroded led me to believe that it was ancient. Nope. I believe this is a museum replica of some sort - it has that antique pewter thing going on. The corrosion might be where it was glued to a card? Even the corrosion was fake! Hadrian Sestertius: This one really fooled me - who would fake such a worn specimen? Well, somebody did. This one has an obvious casting seam (see close up photo) and weighs 14.4 grams. The seller is a reliable world coin guy who said in the auction he wasn't sure of authenticity - the other two coins in the lot were genuine LRB of Valens in pretty nice shape, so for what I paid it was still an okay deal. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-0-jpg.828563/[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-6-jpg.828564/[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/fakes-3-roman-ae-2017-2018-7-jpg.828565/[/IMG] All three of these coins were for me very [I]educational[/I] - and not very expensive. Some find the idea of any fake to be so off-putting that they avoid eBay altogether. I respect that. But I like the hunt (and the bargains) found there.[/QUOTE]
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