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<p>[QUOTE="tenacious, post: 905989, member: 14553"]GypsyTears,</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm sorry to have to say this...</p><p><br /></p><p>First, the face of Herakles, and the head and upper body of Zeus immediately strike me as not looking right. They're the wrong style. And in the left field of the reverse, that faint mintmark, if that's what it's supposed to be, is not correct for that style of tetradrachm obverse and reverse. And I have never seen a countermark like that on an Alexander, ever. But the countermark is of less concern than the incorrect style and mintmark.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, I recognized, by the coin holder in the picture, that the seller is a notorious career eBay fake seller by the name of - <b>artifactsuk</b>. </p><p><br /></p><p>IMO your coin is an intentional fake. In my mind there is no doubt.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>artifactsuk is a career fake seller well known to many collectors. And he has fooled many. When I just now looked through his eBay inventory I didn't see a single coin that did not look suspicious.</p><p><br /></p><p>He disgusts and angers me.</p><p><br /></p><p>He is on the 2 most important fake seller Blacklists:</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope you can see the first Yahoo group list and pdf without being a member. If not you should join:</p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/28139" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/28139" rel="nofollow">CoinForgeryDiscussionList Blacklist</a> </p><p>and here is a pdf of the same list:</p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/files/cfdl%20blacklist2j.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/files/cfdl%20blacklist2j.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/files/cfdl%20blacklist2j.pdf</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And he is also on the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" rel="nofollow">Notorious Fake Sellers List</a> on Forvm Ancient Coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sellers are not put on these lists on a whim. If they are listed there is no doubt about their intentions to sell fakes and rip people off.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also this alone is a red flag from the auction:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Return policy</i></p><p><i>The seller will not accept returns for this item."</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Although he does say in the description: </p><p><i>"Fully guaranteed authentic ancient coin. If an authority ever desputes its authenticity I will refund you in full"</i>. </p><p>What kind of authority will he accept? None I bet.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Although I have been specifically collecting Alexander coins for about 15 years, I am not a regular poster on this forum. Since you do not know me I could be talking out of my hat for all you know. So I would urge you to post your coin on the 2 fake forums here, asking if your coin is a fake -</p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" rel="nofollow">Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion</a> (After you join the forum make sure you put your post under the <b><u>Fake</u></b> Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion forum section.)</p><p>and here</p><p><u><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/messages" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/messages" rel="nofollow">CoinForgeryDiscussionList</a></u></p><p><br /></p><p>Many knowledgable ancient collectors and sellers post at those forums.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you write the title of your post as "<b>Is this coin fake?</b>", you should get responses.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And if you find to your satisfaction that it is fake, since he doesn't accept returns, put in a complaint with PayPal as soon as possible. You should be able to get your money back. And then don't forget to neg the seller to warn others to be aware.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And I recommend that everyone revisit my CoinTalk post here:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t67944/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t67944/">Research Spanish Colonial and Ancient coin eBay sellers first</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also I urge everyone to look through the gallery of fakes on the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" rel="nofollow">Fake Ancient Coin Reports</a> to educate yourself on what fake ancient coins can look like and how good some of them are. Just choose whatever category you collect, Greek, Roman, Hellenistic, and look at the fakes. I think that some of them will surprise you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="tenacious, post: 905989, member: 14553"]GypsyTears, I'm sorry to have to say this... First, the face of Herakles, and the head and upper body of Zeus immediately strike me as not looking right. They're the wrong style. And in the left field of the reverse, that faint mintmark, if that's what it's supposed to be, is not correct for that style of tetradrachm obverse and reverse. And I have never seen a countermark like that on an Alexander, ever. But the countermark is of less concern than the incorrect style and mintmark. Second, I recognized, by the coin holder in the picture, that the seller is a notorious career eBay fake seller by the name of - [B]artifactsuk[/B]. IMO your coin is an intentional fake. In my mind there is no doubt. artifactsuk is a career fake seller well known to many collectors. And he has fooled many. When I just now looked through his eBay inventory I didn't see a single coin that did not look suspicious. He disgusts and angers me. He is on the 2 most important fake seller Blacklists: I hope you can see the first Yahoo group list and pdf without being a member. If not you should join: [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/28139"]CoinForgeryDiscussionList Blacklist[/URL] and here is a pdf of the same list: [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/files/cfdl%20blacklist2j.pdf"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/files/cfdl%20blacklist2j.pdf[/URL] And he is also on the [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0"]Notorious Fake Sellers List[/URL] on Forvm Ancient Coins. Sellers are not put on these lists on a whim. If they are listed there is no doubt about their intentions to sell fakes and rip people off. Also this alone is a red flag from the auction: [I]"Return policy The seller will not accept returns for this item."[/I] Although he does say in the description: [I]"Fully guaranteed authentic ancient coin. If an authority ever desputes its authenticity I will refund you in full"[/I]. What kind of authority will he accept? None I bet. Although I have been specifically collecting Alexander coins for about 15 years, I am not a regular poster on this forum. Since you do not know me I could be talking out of my hat for all you know. So I would urge you to post your coin on the 2 fake forums here, asking if your coin is a fake - [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0"]Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion[/URL] (After you join the forum make sure you put your post under the [B][U]Fake[/U][/B] Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion forum section.) and here [U][URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/messages"]CoinForgeryDiscussionList[/URL][/U] Many knowledgable ancient collectors and sellers post at those forums. If you write the title of your post as "[B]Is this coin fake?[/B]", you should get responses. And if you find to your satisfaction that it is fake, since he doesn't accept returns, put in a complaint with PayPal as soon as possible. You should be able to get your money back. And then don't forget to neg the seller to warn others to be aware. And I recommend that everyone revisit my CoinTalk post here: [URL="http://www.cointalk.com/t67944/"]Research Spanish Colonial and Ancient coin eBay sellers first[/URL] Also I urge everyone to look through the gallery of fakes on the [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php"]Fake Ancient Coin Reports[/URL] to educate yourself on what fake ancient coins can look like and how good some of them are. Just choose whatever category you collect, Greek, Roman, Hellenistic, and look at the fakes. I think that some of them will surprise you.[/QUOTE]
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