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<p>[QUOTE="Broucheion, post: 7858107, member: 104887"]Hi [USER=118780]@kirispupis[/USER] & [USER=116907]@Mammothtooth[/USER] ,</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for the link. It eventuality got me to the <a href="https://hriac.com/discoveries/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://hriac.com/discoveries/" rel="nofollow">Hirac site</a> where a few more photos can be seen <a href="https://hriac.com/discoveries/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://hriac.com/discoveries/" rel="nofollow">https://hriac.com/discoveries/</a> as well as the official publication of the statue (read-only mode) from Eidola: International Journal of Classical Art History.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry for the digression (rant?) to come.</p><p><br /></p><p>I must say, looking at the long sideburns on the statue reminds me much more of Ptolemy IV than Alexander. Comparing to a coin portrait (below, <a href="https://www.livius.org/pictures/a/greek-portraits/ptolemy-iv-philopator-coin/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.livius.org/pictures/a/greek-portraits/ptolemy-iv-philopator-coin/" rel="nofollow">BM coin pictured at Livus.org</a> - I wish it were mine!), I feel this identification with Alexander is a case of settling on the explanation you want, rather than the one that fits the facts. To me it seems the discoverer glosses over the points of identification and too quickly rules out any of the Ptolemies. Oddly, the images for the statue head shown are always from an odd angle (looking up from chin to forehead), minimizing the ability for the straight-on profile comparison - even though the author provided her own images for the article (below) and in theory could have provided profile and/or head-on views in the article.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1354206[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1354182[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>You might argue that the artist wanted to conflate two important people by using heroic Alexander imagery with Ptolemy’s facial characteristics, but that explanation does not sit right with me. I wish I could see the statue myself up close.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not a trained archeologist or art historian, but I do have 40 years of looking at Ptolemaic coins and related images. This statue is showing up in a lot of internet places as an "Alexander" image but it just does not convince me. When I started collecting coins I would never have dreamed I could see something wrong or something other 'professionals' might not have noticed, but it has happened to me before and I think this is another case.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry again for the rant, er, digression<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p>- Broucheion[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Broucheion, post: 7858107, member: 104887"]Hi [USER=118780]@kirispupis[/USER] & [USER=116907]@Mammothtooth[/USER] , Thanks for the link. It eventuality got me to the [URL='https://hriac.com/discoveries/']Hirac site[/URL] where a few more photos can be seen [URL]https://hriac.com/discoveries/[/URL] as well as the official publication of the statue (read-only mode) from Eidola: International Journal of Classical Art History. Sorry for the digression (rant?) to come. I must say, looking at the long sideburns on the statue reminds me much more of Ptolemy IV than Alexander. Comparing to a coin portrait (below, [URL='https://www.livius.org/pictures/a/greek-portraits/ptolemy-iv-philopator-coin/']BM coin pictured at Livus.org[/URL] - I wish it were mine!), I feel this identification with Alexander is a case of settling on the explanation you want, rather than the one that fits the facts. To me it seems the discoverer glosses over the points of identification and too quickly rules out any of the Ptolemies. Oddly, the images for the statue head shown are always from an odd angle (looking up from chin to forehead), minimizing the ability for the straight-on profile comparison - even though the author provided her own images for the article (below) and in theory could have provided profile and/or head-on views in the article. [ATTACH=full]1354206[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1354182[/ATTACH] You might argue that the artist wanted to conflate two important people by using heroic Alexander imagery with Ptolemy’s facial characteristics, but that explanation does not sit right with me. I wish I could see the statue myself up close. I'm not a trained archeologist or art historian, but I do have 40 years of looking at Ptolemaic coins and related images. This statue is showing up in a lot of internet places as an "Alexander" image but it just does not convince me. When I started collecting coins I would never have dreamed I could see something wrong or something other 'professionals' might not have noticed, but it has happened to me before and I think this is another case. Sorry again for the rant, er, digressiono_O;). - Broucheion[/QUOTE]
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