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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6455851, member: 91461"]In today's Obols auction I saw a coin I recognized that wasn't from someone else's collection<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie101" alt=":woot:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>It was VERY similar (pretty sure it's the same type) to my own.</p><p>Mine and the description:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1257545[/ATTACH]</p><p>Alexander I</p><p><br /></p><p>498-454 BC. AR Tetrobol (15mm, 1.97 g). Horse right / Quadripartite incuse square. Raymond pl. V, b; SNG ANS 20.</p><p>Ex Savoca</p><p><br /></p><p>And the one that is not mine from today's auction:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1257546[/ATTACH]</p><p>KINGS OF MACEDON. Alexander I, 498-454 BC. Tetrobol (Silver, 14.5 mm, 1.83 g), Aigai, probably before 480/79. Horse standing to right. Rev. Quadripartite linear square with a kerykeion at the center; all within a shallow incuse square. BMC 6 = Raymond pl. V, b. SNG ANS -. SNG Munich 8. Extremely rare. Light porosity, scratches on reverse, otherwise, fine.</p><p>From the Trausnitz Collection, acquired prior to 2007.</p><p><br /></p><p>Raymond concluded that this rare issue was most likely struck before Alexander's escape from Persian influence in 480/79, yet the fine style of the incuse is unlike his earliest coinage. Thus, she was unable to place it securely within the established chronology of Alexander's coinage. Likewise the low weight - which corresponds precisely to the weight of a triobol on the Macedonian octadrachm standard (1.83 g) - of this and the other fractional issues she illustrates leaves little room for a certain identification of the denomination. This coin could be a very light-weight tetrobol or it could equally be a triobol. Because of the significant wear and the likelihood of internal crystallization of this piece, we have called it a tetrobol, assuming that when it was freshly minted it was probably close to the theoretical weight of 2.18 g on the Macedonian tetradrachm standard.</p><p><br /></p><p>Very cool description of Raymond's analysis of the type... especially the very specific dating of 480/79 previous to his escape from Persian influence<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie100" alt=":wideyed:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Though, mine is slightly heavier by a hair's breath, it is clearly the same denomination.</p><p>But what I don't see is Kerry nor her keion's</p><p>"Quadripartite linear square with a <b>kerykeion</b> at the center; all within a shallow incuse square."</p><p>I see no caduceus. I see a small circle in the top left sector on both. Do you?</p><p>Here's 2 of what we're looking for:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1257560[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Did Ryro just use the flimsiest of pretexts to post another Macedonian shield coin? You bet your sweet cheeks I did<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)</p><p><br /></p><p>To enjoy the type, time and the namesake of Alexander III The Great, let's remember a few things.</p><p>Alexander I claimed descent from the Argive family that claimed its descent from Herakles himself!<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie58" alt=":jimlad:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> As, Alexander the Great would a couple centuries later.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1257563[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Herakles would kick himself later for having posed for his statue on the coldest day Greece had seen for a millennia)</p><p><br /></p><p>Macedon was one of the nearest kinda Greek states to Persia and essentially had to/decided to work with at the start of the Peloponnesian war.</p><p>Alexander I gave his sister up to marry a Persian general.</p><p>However, in 479 Alexander would turn on the Persian Achaemenids by giving Athens key strategic information on the eve of the battle of Plataea!</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1257565[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Any corrections, other stories of the man, his coins of course, thoughts on the Obols description and anything else early Macedon are appreciated[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6455851, member: 91461"]In today's Obols auction I saw a coin I recognized that wasn't from someone else's collection:woot: It was VERY similar (pretty sure it's the same type) to my own. Mine and the description: [ATTACH=full]1257545[/ATTACH] Alexander I 498-454 BC. AR Tetrobol (15mm, 1.97 g). Horse right / Quadripartite incuse square. Raymond pl. V, b; SNG ANS 20. Ex Savoca And the one that is not mine from today's auction: [ATTACH=full]1257546[/ATTACH] KINGS OF MACEDON. Alexander I, 498-454 BC. Tetrobol (Silver, 14.5 mm, 1.83 g), Aigai, probably before 480/79. Horse standing to right. Rev. Quadripartite linear square with a kerykeion at the center; all within a shallow incuse square. BMC 6 = Raymond pl. V, b. SNG ANS -. SNG Munich 8. Extremely rare. Light porosity, scratches on reverse, otherwise, fine. From the Trausnitz Collection, acquired prior to 2007. Raymond concluded that this rare issue was most likely struck before Alexander's escape from Persian influence in 480/79, yet the fine style of the incuse is unlike his earliest coinage. Thus, she was unable to place it securely within the established chronology of Alexander's coinage. Likewise the low weight - which corresponds precisely to the weight of a triobol on the Macedonian octadrachm standard (1.83 g) - of this and the other fractional issues she illustrates leaves little room for a certain identification of the denomination. This coin could be a very light-weight tetrobol or it could equally be a triobol. Because of the significant wear and the likelihood of internal crystallization of this piece, we have called it a tetrobol, assuming that when it was freshly minted it was probably close to the theoretical weight of 2.18 g on the Macedonian tetradrachm standard. Very cool description of Raymond's analysis of the type... especially the very specific dating of 480/79 previous to his escape from Persian influence:wideyed: Though, mine is slightly heavier by a hair's breath, it is clearly the same denomination. But what I don't see is Kerry nor her keion's "Quadripartite linear square with a [B]kerykeion[/B] at the center; all within a shallow incuse square." I see no caduceus. I see a small circle in the top left sector on both. Do you? Here's 2 of what we're looking for: [ATTACH=full]1257560[/ATTACH] (Did Ryro just use the flimsiest of pretexts to post another Macedonian shield coin? You bet your sweet cheeks I did:happy:) To enjoy the type, time and the namesake of Alexander III The Great, let's remember a few things. Alexander I claimed descent from the Argive family that claimed its descent from Herakles himself!:jimlad::cigar: As, Alexander the Great would a couple centuries later. [ATTACH=full]1257563[/ATTACH] (Herakles would kick himself later for having posed for his statue on the coldest day Greece had seen for a millennia) Macedon was one of the nearest kinda Greek states to Persia and essentially had to/decided to work with at the start of the Peloponnesian war. Alexander I gave his sister up to marry a Persian general. However, in 479 Alexander would turn on the Persian Achaemenids by giving Athens key strategic information on the eve of the battle of Plataea! [ATTACH=full]1257565[/ATTACH] Any corrections, other stories of the man, his coins of course, thoughts on the Obols description and anything else early Macedon are appreciated[/QUOTE]
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