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<p>[QUOTE="geekpryde, post: 25722868, member: 36248"]Long term, perhaps. But I doubt it for many decades.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just look at Chess engines. We've got at least 25 years that computers have been better than humans at chess. At first, it wasnt even really AI / ML at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>Today, you've got many competing and powerful Chess Engines, all using various different types or combinations of Chess Move databases / human chess concepts / Machine Learning based algorithms / etc. These chess engines are backed by very powerful corporations, such as IBM, DeepMind (now Google), and various Open Source engines that run by a community of volunteers.</p><p><br /></p><p>The top 4 most well known Chess engines are named: Stockfish, AlphaZero, Leela, (Leela Chess Zero), and Deep Blue.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think even non-Chess people have heard of Stockfish (current top engine), and DeepBlue from the late 90's / early 2000s.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is a ton of others, with various different power levels, and even within a single engine like StockFish, there are versions that are older or less powerful and so you can pit Stockfish vs Stockfish.</p><p><br /></p><p>My point being, even in Chess, with 25 years are development by very power corporations, and popular media support, and millions of fans that watch games daily online, there has been NO final "perfect model" yet and there is certainly NOT a level playing fields amongst the engines.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, there will definitely be an "arms race" between PCGS/ NGC / CACG / ANACs / and upstarts, assuming the war starts at all. There will be a clear top dog Coin AI, but it will have to get ever stronger as the others play catchup and there will be surprise upsets.</p><p><br /></p><p>My personal favorite Chess Engine, that sometimes smokes even Stockfish, is "Leela". Sometimes referred to as "Lc0", "LCZero", or "Leela Chess Zero". Awesome engine, fun to watch, is second most powerful but sometimes slays goliath.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1643769[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I imagine this will just be another aspect of the hobby where people have their favorite TPG's and their favorite "Coin Engines". <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Strongly recommend if you like AI and Chess, you watch a few Leela videos like below example:</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]oIsy07JZ7Qs[/MEDIA]</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]VUC1K3UA-3Y[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="geekpryde, post: 25722868, member: 36248"]Long term, perhaps. But I doubt it for many decades. Just look at Chess engines. We've got at least 25 years that computers have been better than humans at chess. At first, it wasnt even really AI / ML at all. Today, you've got many competing and powerful Chess Engines, all using various different types or combinations of Chess Move databases / human chess concepts / Machine Learning based algorithms / etc. These chess engines are backed by very powerful corporations, such as IBM, DeepMind (now Google), and various Open Source engines that run by a community of volunteers. The top 4 most well known Chess engines are named: Stockfish, AlphaZero, Leela, (Leela Chess Zero), and Deep Blue. I think even non-Chess people have heard of Stockfish (current top engine), and DeepBlue from the late 90's / early 2000s. There is a ton of others, with various different power levels, and even within a single engine like StockFish, there are versions that are older or less powerful and so you can pit Stockfish vs Stockfish. My point being, even in Chess, with 25 years are development by very power corporations, and popular media support, and millions of fans that watch games daily online, there has been NO final "perfect model" yet and there is certainly NOT a level playing fields amongst the engines. So, there will definitely be an "arms race" between PCGS/ NGC / CACG / ANACs / and upstarts, assuming the war starts at all. There will be a clear top dog Coin AI, but it will have to get ever stronger as the others play catchup and there will be surprise upsets. My personal favorite Chess Engine, that sometimes smokes even Stockfish, is "Leela". Sometimes referred to as "Lc0", "LCZero", or "Leela Chess Zero". Awesome engine, fun to watch, is second most powerful but sometimes slays goliath. [ATTACH=full]1643769[/ATTACH] I imagine this will just be another aspect of the hobby where people have their favorite TPG's and their favorite "Coin Engines". ;) Strongly recommend if you like AI and Chess, you watch a few Leela videos like below example: [MEDIA=youtube]oIsy07JZ7Qs[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]VUC1K3UA-3Y[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]
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