Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by kolyan760, Dec 4, 2020.
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I don't know enough about countermarks to have an opinion.
In case it's helpful--I have my doubts, considering its condition--here's a similar coin from my collection for comparison:
Wife of Germanicus
Rome mint, A.D. 50-54
Obv: AGRIPPINA M F GERMANICI CAESARIS
Rev: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG GERM P M TR P IMP, encircling SC
RIC (Claudius) 102
I agree. In contrast to the squarish flans on sestertii of the Antonine period and beyond, Julio-Claudian sestertii are typically round.
Here's my example, purchased at Forvm in 2003:
Don’t you think C/M letters are way too sharp ?
They are deeply recessed and wouldn't be subject to much wear.
I think they are too big and way too sharp, doesn’t look natural
That's corrosion, not wear.
The letters inside are also too wide and big , look carefully
Are you looking for opinions or an echo of your opinion?
I’m not talking about corrosion, The style size and shape
I recently got an example of this countermark on a Claudius sestertius - it came from Serbia, so I suppose it could be a fake, but it is a lot uglier than the fakes I'm seeing all over eBay.
As RC notes, the countermarks are generally in much better condition than the host - countermarks are often deeply recessed, and, of course, more recent than the host.
When I was researching this countermark, I found some references to the NC being joined in the countermark - which seems to be the case with the OP. See my attribution notes below.
Claudius Æ Sestertius
CM for Nero or Nerva
(c. 41-54 A.D. host)
[TI CLAVDIVS CAES]AR A[VG PM TR P IMP (P P?)], laureate head right / [SPES
AVGVSTA], SC in exergue, Spes walking left, holding flower and lifting hem of skirt.
RIC 99 (no PP) or RIC 115 (PP)
(24.36 grams / 32 mm)
Countermark: NCAPR (11 mm x 3 mm rectangle). NC is joined (Italy) Pangerl 60.
"Nero Caesar Aug. Populo Romano"
"Nummus Caesare Augusto Probatus"
"Nero Caesar Augustus Probavit"
“Nerva Caesar Augustus Probavit”
“Three distinct production centers can be identified for this issue, in Spain, Gaul, and Italy. The Italian type is distinguished by...joining of the letters NC at the base." CNG's Dec 2018 Elec. Auction 434
I try to avoid offering opinions on coins based on photographs - there are so many opportunities for “enhancement” of them these days - but this coin is so interesting that I cannot resist. The NCAPR countermarked issue is described as “very hard to come by” in many sales catalogs, etc.
The strike appears to be correct, but the flan thickness appears to be unusually thick in the photograph you included. One of the answers regarding genuineness lies in the weight of the coin. Mattingly lists this coin in BMCRE, vol I, Claudius, No. 222 with a weight of 27.34 gm. What is the weight of the coin you depict?
The lettering appears to be correct to me on your coin and the patina also looks appropriate.The countermark also looks correct - they usually are much sharper than the lettering on the “as minted” coins.
Here is the example of this coin in my collection:
Agrippina the Elder, Sestertius, BMCRE vol. 1 (Claudius), No. 222, AD 42-54, 25.2 gm. (Countermarked NCAPR and with partial legend obliteration).
……… RIC I (Claudius) No. 102, AD 42-54, 25.2 gm.
Obverse depiction: Agrippina the Elder, draped bust facing right, hair in long plait down back
Inscription: [AGRIPPINA] M F GERMANICI CAES[ARIS]
Reverse depiction: [Large SC centered]
Inscription: [TI CLAVDIVS] CAESAR AVG [GERM P M TR P IMP P P]
NCAPR countermark in incuse rectangle above SC
Agrippina the elder was the daughter of Agrippa and Julia (the daughter of Augustus). She married Germanicus, the brother of Claudius, and was the mother of Caligula.
Please do reply with the weight of your coin - it is if great interest to me.
34.5 mm, 27.71 gm
It looks legit to me. Some more pics
Is (or was) that your coin @Herodotus? The weight the
owner lists (?) is within the correct range for this issue. If that is the case, I would say this coin could be genuine. (Edited).
No, it is not my coin.
It is currently on auction offer on eBay. It also caught my eye, before this thread having been posted.
For those interested, here is a thread discussion from earlier this year on this board concerning the NCAPR countermark.
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