Again, thanks to a fellow board member

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Jan 23, 2020.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    I saw a thread yesterday by @Parthicus Maximus where he presented his Titus RIC 858 [VESP]. I told him that I liked it and that I needed one. Well, he took a look for me and found one! There are only 5 of these on Acsearch so this is a scarce coin. My coin is not as nice as that of @Parthicus Maximus , but I grabbed it anyway. This is a case where the reverse is better than the obverse.

    Thank you @Parthicus Maximus for finding this coin. I really appreciate it.

    Titus as Caesar AR denarius 76 CE
    Obv: T CAESAR IMP VESPASIAN; head laureate right
    Rev: COS V; Bull standing right
    RIC 858 [VESP]
    Purchased from Brian Bucklan Bargain bin ancients January 23, 2020

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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter I dig ancient coins...

    That's great @Orfew - he really came through for you.
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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    Glad you got one! And I agree, it is a somewhat scarce type. I got mine from Harry Sneh over 10 years ago, so I never had to do the leg work to find one!

    V858.jpg Titus as Caesar
    AR Denarius, 3.25g
    Rome mint, 76 AD (Vespasian)
    Obv: T CAESAR IMP VESPASIAN; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: COS V (high in field); bull stg. r.
    RIC 858 (R). BMC 186. RSC 52. BNC 163.
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..that was nice of him...:)
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Am I correct that two are easier to find than the single?
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    Not for Titus Caesar. The two oxen type is scarce for him as well.

    Titus as Caesar
    AR Denarius, 3.20g
    Rome Mint, 77-78 AD (Vespasian)
    Obv: T CAESAR IMP VESPASIANVS; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: COS VI in exergue; Two oxen, yoked, l.
    RIC 951 (R). BMC 225. RSC 67. BNC 201.
    Acquired from Calgary Coin, May 2008.

    For Vespasian it is 'common'.
  8. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Orfew .....Very nice pick up...And great coins shown by the others too!
    What's the significance of the oxen?
  9. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    I was happy to help you @Orfew.

    What interesting is to note is that there is no known of this in the Reka Devnia hoard.

    After having done some more study of this type, I noticed something else. Almost all types including David's specimen show a large mature bull. However, when we look at yours and mine too, we see a less hefty bull. What I wonder is whether the big difference in engraving only has to do with the different mint workers. Both of our coins seem at least an reverse die match. But I also not exclude that our coins with the younger Bull are an different type or variant.

    What do you think of this theory?

    laureate head right
    COS V
    bull standing right

    Titus Caesar 69-79
    AR Denarius
    Struck 76
    Ric 858 (Vespasian) (R)
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
  10. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    The slight variation in the bull's appearance is due to different engravers, it's not enough to warrant a new variant.

    If you really want to chase after a variant of the type, try finding one that depicts a cow instead of a bull. All three of ours are clearly anatomically bulls. ;) I've unsuccessfully hunted for an example depicting a cow, perhaps you'll have better luck.
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  11. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your response David. I also had some doubts myself. I also didn't think it would be enough for another variant. But it still looks a lot that the bull that is showed is younger than most of the others.

    When I see one, I will warn you. Such a rarity fits better in your great collection than in mine, I think. But I'll have to find one first. When you can't wait, the type is more common in Gold ;)
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