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<p>[QUOTE="Andrew McCabe, post: 3790685, member: 90666"]In 1985 there were two Credit Suisse/ Swiss Kreditinstalt auctions and one fixed price list.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1012663[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Auction 4 has a lot of aes grave, about 60 coins. For Crawford 18 (this is an 18/2 semis) it shows the following: As, Triens and Uncia but not a Pegasus semis.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1012667[/ATTACH]</p><p>I suspect your coin belonged to this large collection but was sold at retail rather than in the auction. But keeping the ticket, and whatever auction / retail information you bought it from that said it was bought there, is important and probably sufficient. I'm not aware of Lubich but it might have been his collection or might have been bought by him. Not mentioned in Auction 4 catalogue. Curiously the sale was done in conjunction with Herb Kreindler. There is an outside chance Herb has some vague recollection of an aes grave collection in a mid 1980s Credit Suisse sale.</p><p><br /></p><p>Edit: I now realise that I don't have a complete run of the FPLs so there's a chance it appears in other 1985 FPLS. I show #43 (Spring 1985), #42 is 1984 and #45 is 1986. #44 which I don't have might be a source</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 16px"><font face="Verdana"><span style="color: rgb(20, 20, 20)">I echo all comments made on cleaning. I wouldn't clean old provenance aes grave, and there shouldn't be any young provenance aes grave around since none are supposed to have come from Italy since before 2011. Lightish green with turquoise is good. Blackish dark green is also good which usually comes from having been cleaned 100 years ago and then handled a lot by greasy fingers or sometimes waxed a long time ago. A recently cleaned looking light brown is not ideal as it'll make people suspect its provenance isn't so old. I won't say don't touch it, as handling it a lot over a long time may gradually help. </span></font></span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew McCabe, post: 3790685, member: 90666"]In 1985 there were two Credit Suisse/ Swiss Kreditinstalt auctions and one fixed price list. [ATTACH=full]1012663[/ATTACH] Auction 4 has a lot of aes grave, about 60 coins. For Crawford 18 (this is an 18/2 semis) it shows the following: As, Triens and Uncia but not a Pegasus semis. [ATTACH=full]1012667[/ATTACH] I suspect your coin belonged to this large collection but was sold at retail rather than in the auction. But keeping the ticket, and whatever auction / retail information you bought it from that said it was bought there, is important and probably sufficient. I'm not aware of Lubich but it might have been his collection or might have been bought by him. Not mentioned in Auction 4 catalogue. Curiously the sale was done in conjunction with Herb Kreindler. There is an outside chance Herb has some vague recollection of an aes grave collection in a mid 1980s Credit Suisse sale. Edit: I now realise that I don't have a complete run of the FPLs so there's a chance it appears in other 1985 FPLS. I show #43 (Spring 1985), #42 is 1984 and #45 is 1986. #44 which I don't have might be a source [LEFT][SIZE=16px][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=rgb(20, 20, 20)]I echo all comments made on cleaning. I wouldn't clean old provenance aes grave, and there shouldn't be any young provenance aes grave around since none are supposed to have come from Italy since before 2011. Lightish green with turquoise is good. Blackish dark green is also good which usually comes from having been cleaned 100 years ago and then handled a lot by greasy fingers or sometimes waxed a long time ago. A recently cleaned looking light brown is not ideal as it'll make people suspect its provenance isn't so old. I won't say don't touch it, as handling it a lot over a long time may gradually help. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/QUOTE]
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