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Message:: [QUOTE="Insider, post: 2552771, member: 24314"][USER=78244]@TypeCoin971793[/USER] has given some tried & true observations about counterfeits.  I believe members have made him aware of "pulling-the-trigger" too fast in the future, and I agree with the post above. IMHO, the photo of the turtle in question is too small to tell anything unless it was made from a known counterfeit die.  When I suspect something is amiss, I ask for more magnified photos of the surface. Often, even that does not help. One last observation.  We don't know the credentials of most of the CT members.  I have learned very quickly who to rely on.  This is my point: A majority of counterfeits are made in a similar fashion using a few standard methods. There are certain universal characteristics seen on fakes of all types. Because of this, a long-time, very experienced, authentication "expert" of European coins, will have a better chance of detecting a fake american coin than most american coin dealers. This works for Ancients too; but the folks I talk with in authentication seminars say it is a little different.[/QUOTE]