AE as -- Iberia, Belikio

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hmmm, now I'm confused (not the first time it has happened)

    I think the cities that people are posting are from ancient Spain (Iberian peninsula) ... including the OP-coin, which is from Belikio (am I wrong?)

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  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer


    It was you!!!!!!
     
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  5. doucet

    doucet Well-Known Member

    Here is my AE horseman type from Kelse/Celse.

    The horseman doesn't always carry a spear, in this case he has a palm branch.

    As Kelse-001.JPG

    Here is a paper that explains a great deal about Iberian Peninsula coins, but still does not fully answer the mystery as to why the Male head/Horseman type was produced by so many mints in the north of the peninsula.

    https://www.academia.edu/11907470/Coinage_and_Identity_in_the_Roman_Provinces_Spain
     
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  6. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Malaka with Vulcan and Sol

    MalakaAs.jpg
     
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  7. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    My fault! :oops:
     
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  8. doucet

    doucet Well-Known Member

    Noob, that is such a great Malaka. I have one similar but no photo of it yet.

    I thought mine was pretty darn good, but yours is about as good as I've ever seen.
     
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  9. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Can't wait to see your example. There was litte keeping me from clicking on this bad boy.
     
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  10. Hispanicus

    Hispanicus Stand Fast!

    Stevex6,
    Yes, this is an all ancient Spain extravaganza
     
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  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful and interesting posts guys!!

    It's interesting that the mix of styles and influences seen on all the types posted from ancient Spain can be either be regarded as of Greek/Carthaginian design, stylized Celtic, Roman/Indigenous or any mix of all of the above----and with that still curious repetitive use of the Head and Horseman devices over so many different cities. Of course, I suppose 'geography' etc etc (PDF link) had something to do with all the aforementioned as even a casual glance of a map might suggest.

    And how about 'Noobs' post of Sol and Vulcan from Malaka!!!
     
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  12. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I think he needs a new photo. 2nd Punic War Carthago Nova
    IberiaHannibal.jpg
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have one of those " TALK to the HAND cuz the FACE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!" Castulos...

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  14. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Ancient Spanish Extravaganza!

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    Octavian, 27 BC - AD 14
    AE32, 16g, 6h; Colonia Celsa.
    Obv.: II VIR COL V I CELSA; bare head of Octavian right.
    Rev.: Bull right; L.POMPE.BVCCO above, L.CORNE.FRONT (moneyers

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    Carthaginians in Hispania
    AE 1/4 Calco, 1.5g, 13mm; mobile military mint, 218-208 BC.
    Obv.: Wreathed head of Tanit left.
    Rev.: Crested helmet left, with cheek guards.

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    Roman Republican, Hispania
    AE, semis, 8.6g, 23mm; 2h; Hispania, 1st century BC
    Obv.: Laureate head of Saturn right; S (mark of value) behind
    Rev.: Prow left, S (mark of value) above
    In Ex.: ROMA
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I would be interested in seeing some Native Iberian silvers, anything out there? I dont have one.
     
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  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Amazing photo .... even more amazing example. Soooo Jelly.
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  17. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Obviously , I do not have any 'native Iberian silvers' either----the closest I have is an RR type depicting Hispania and I'm sure others have numerous examples of many other 'Republicans' struck in Spain by various moneyers and Imperators/Generals.....
     
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  18. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Think that photo credit goes to John Anthony. This coin holds a special place in my collection...as do the others I posted. This one and the Augustus help tie in with my modern collection.
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wh-Wh-WHAAAT???
    LOL... Ancient Spain ==> Augustus ==> MODERN??? Help me Jack? LOL
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Weeeellll... How about the purported first living Roman General on a Roman struck coin... Shown this one before... But it is struck in Carthago Nova, founded by Hasdrubal the Fair in 227 as a colony of Carthage. It was originally called QART HADASHT which is the same name the Carthaginians called their native city of CARTHAGE. Hasdrubal was a Barcid, and this was a major city in the area called Barcid Spain, which Carthage drew enormous military and financial (Bronze and Silver mines) rejuvenation after losing the Second Punic War to Rome.

    However, along came Publius Cornelius Scipio in 209 BCE to rain on the Carthaginians' parade and conquered Carthago Nova! :D

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    Roman Republic
    Carthago Nova (Carthaginian city of Qart Hadasht) Roman Occupation by Scipio (later Africanus)
    ca. 209-206 BCE
    Bronze Unit
    22.8mm, 9.1g
    Carthago Nova mint
    OBV: Bare head l, Roman style (Scipio?)
    REV: Horse standing r
    Rare
    Sear/Seaby Vol 2 6575; SNG BM Spain 127-128; Burgos 552
    ex FORVM
    AE of Publius Cornelius Scipio (before he was Africanus, and while in Spain), from Carthago Nova... He was young, had been built up almost as a demi-god to politically oppose Hannibal's propaganda campaign in Italy against Rome... This whipper-snapper "figgered" it all out as to how to counter the psychological effect that Hannibal had on the Romans AND Italians for so many years!
     
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  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Terrific 'Al' !!! I love the first living Roman on a coin context, not to mention the allusion to the love/hate relationship the 'Scipio's had with Hispania-----dying kind of sours the relationship LOL
     
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