Added two 12mm silver coins - only ~1000 years apart

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Roerbakmix, May 26, 2020.

  1. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    ... and still, far from modern. The first one is my 10th sceatta (and to celebrate that, the 11th is coming my way already :))
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    ANGLO-SAXON, Anonymous. Denomination: AR Sceatta (Series D type 8), minted: Netherlands; 690-720
    Obv: Dotted standard, annulet with pellet in center, around three V and one I, dot between. Outside standard, a pellet and largely off-center garbled legend
    Rev: Runic inscription around cross-pommee, pellets around
    Weight: 1.18g; Ø:12mm. Catalogue: . Provenance: Possibly found in Northern France; acq.: 05-2020

    In The Netherlands, where I'm from, there were two series of sceatta's: series D (including the types 2c, 8 [this coin] and the extremely rare 10 - I have the series D complete but, hey, as if a collection is ever 'complete' :angelic:) and series E (including many 'porcupine' types, the elegant plumed bird types, and the stepped-cross types). Other rarer types include the 'Wodan' types and the 'Star of David', among others, which I still have to acquire.

    This series D type 8 is an upgrade of this poor example, which badly needed an upgrade:
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    The second coin is a tad earlier, that is, almost 1000 years (if the date provided by the seller is correct):
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    GREECE, Anonymous. Denomination: AR Hemidrachm, minted: Rhodos, Carian isles ; 387-304 BC(?)
    Obv: Head of Helios 3/4th to the right
    Rev: Rose within incuse square, above Greek legend
    Weight: 0.8g; Ø:12mm. Catalogue: ?. Provenance: Ex T. Nuij collection; acq.: 05-2020

    Now I was hoping for someone to weigh in on the Rhodos hemidrachm. I'm unable to 1) find a comparable specimen, 2) thus pinpoint the date and 3) read the Greek legend above. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Also, please post your sceatta's! They deserve more attention. Otherwise, post your coins from Rhodos.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I've been eyeing affordable Sceattas when I have come across them but I end up pausing since I know I would get sucked into their rabbit hole & I already have other holes I burro in.

    Those are very cool though.
     
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  4. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    yeah, that happened to me :) Also, same for Celtic coinage. However, the series D and E are affordable, with cheap and rough specimens starting at ~€80. Most 'porcupines' in good condition, except for rarities, go for around €150-250.
     
  5. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    The layout of the Rhodes magistrates name resembles "Gorgias", but with sloppy engraving.
     
  6. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Nice coins.
    I agree with @THCoins, it seems to be a crudly engraved hemidrachm from the magistrate "Gorgias". No other Magistrates name seem to match any more close than that one.

    Your coin is definitely after 188 BC, since it has an incuse square, characteristic for the ‘Plinthophoric’ coinage.

    This is an example of a similar coin (not mine):
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    ISLANDS off CARIA. Rhodes. Circa 188-84 BC. AR Hemidrachm (13mm, 1.51 gm). Gorgias, magistrate. Struck circa 125-88 BC. Radiate head of Helios right / Rose, bud to right; [butterfly] in right field; GORGIA (magistrate). Jenkins Rhodian Group D, 150; cf. SNG Helsinki 657 (magistrate)
     
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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    One doesn't often find sceats and Rhodes in the same post! I'll play. :D (Though my sceatta are Anglo-Saxon.)

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    Anglo-Saxon primary phase sceat, series BII, c. 700, King Wihtred

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    Anglo-Saxon secondary phase sceat, series O type 40, c. 720-735, Thames Valley/Kingdom of Essex

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    Rhodes didrachm, 250-230 BCE, HGC 6: 1438

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    Rhodes tetradrachm (32.5mm), c. 205-190 BCE, engraved by Danaos, Price 2513
     
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  8. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    ... and that's a shame ;)

    Wonderful sceatta's, @Severus Alexander. Those 'true' Anglo-Saxons are still on my wish list. I'm currently eyeballing a series G sceat, which was a recent metal detecting find, which will then by my first non-continental sceatta.

    Thanks @THCoins and@pavlos for the correct ID of my Rhodos hemidrachm!
     
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