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<p>[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 5318026, member: 84179"][USER=27832]@-jeffB[/USER] the authors of the Stony Brook Univ paper are only proposing a mechanism. What we do know from their paper is that in the presence of light and moisture, AFTER the acetone evaporated 18 hrs later, copper acetate crystals formed on a 100% copper foil. </p><p><br /></p><p>I think their proposed mechanism of Cu being a catalyst that helps acetone break down into acetic acid is valid. What they don't say is when does this reaction occur and what are the concentrations. </p><ul> <li>Is it immediately upon immersion? </li> <li>Is the concentration of acetic acid high at the beginning, or after 18 hrs as the acetone is just about completely evaporate? </li> <li>At what point does the copper acetate form? This is a big thing because it's the part where Cu from a coin can can physically become involved in the reaction. </li> <li>How do the conditions of the experiment relate to numismatic usage? The experiment used a static sample.</li> <li>If I stir or swirl the acetone container or coin, will there be enough acetic acid to concentrate near the coin surface or will it be quickly diluted into the solvent?</li> </ul><p>I think the research is solid and their proposal is reasonable, but most collectors don't let their coin sit out long enough for the acetone evaporate. Nothing in that paper suggests that a short soak and rinse will lead to the formation of concentrated acetic acid.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe the members who have posted that they have had copper change color after soaking in acetone. But I feel that it's more likely due to technique (soaking too long, improper rinsing, redeposited organic residue) or a questionable surface under the residue. So far, the science doesn't support acetone being a problem for copper if used for a short soak and rinse.</p><p><br /></p><p>I've soaked hundreds of copper coins over the years (primarily as a precaution to remove PVC plastic over residue) and have had the same results as you [USER=27832]@-jeffB[/USER] no discoloration[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 5318026, member: 84179"][USER=27832]@-jeffB[/USER] the authors of the Stony Brook Univ paper are only proposing a mechanism. What we do know from their paper is that in the presence of light and moisture, AFTER the acetone evaporated 18 hrs later, copper acetate crystals formed on a 100% copper foil. I think their proposed mechanism of Cu being a catalyst that helps acetone break down into acetic acid is valid. What they don't say is when does this reaction occur and what are the concentrations. [LIST] [*]Is it immediately upon immersion? [*]Is the concentration of acetic acid high at the beginning, or after 18 hrs as the acetone is just about completely evaporate? [*]At what point does the copper acetate form? This is a big thing because it's the part where Cu from a coin can can physically become involved in the reaction. [*]How do the conditions of the experiment relate to numismatic usage? The experiment used a static sample. [*]If I stir or swirl the acetone container or coin, will there be enough acetic acid to concentrate near the coin surface or will it be quickly diluted into the solvent? [/LIST] I think the research is solid and their proposal is reasonable, but most collectors don't let their coin sit out long enough for the acetone evaporate. Nothing in that paper suggests that a short soak and rinse will lead to the formation of concentrated acetic acid. I believe the members who have posted that they have had copper change color after soaking in acetone. But I feel that it's more likely due to technique (soaking too long, improper rinsing, redeposited organic residue) or a questionable surface under the residue. So far, the science doesn't support acetone being a problem for copper if used for a short soak and rinse. I've soaked hundreds of copper coins over the years (primarily as a precaution to remove PVC plastic over residue) and have had the same results as you [USER=27832]@-jeffB[/USER] no discoloration[/QUOTE]
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