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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2775019, member: 24314"]jeffB, posted: "There's <i>always</i> room for more resources! Still waiting for time on a good X-ray free-electron laser to date "dateless" Buffalos without etching them, and to see if anything can be recovered from dateless SLQs."</p><p><br /></p><p>It may work as the designs of a coin continue into their interior.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now for some humor before posting more: I sent out three dateless AG buffalo nickels to a young fellow and he returned them to me with a note that he had the "holes" for those three dates already filled! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Next. I should have PM'ed certain posters about neutralizing a coin. The comments in this thread "rubbed me the wrong way" due to something going on at work and I revealed too much as a way of "smacking down" what I took as some dangerous misinformation. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Oldhoopster, posted: "I suggested the avoiding the baking soda solution to simplify the process. For people without experience in a Chem lab setting, the less chemicals to play with, the less chance of making mistakes. <u>Thorough</u> rinsing in distilled water should dilute and wash away any remaining thiourea and sulfuric acid, particularly in the concentrations found in commercially available dips. (De-ionized water would probably be better, but most people don’t have access to it).</p><p>If you’re doing precision dips for very short periods of time or with higher concentrations of active chemicals, then a baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution should neutralize the H2SO4 a little faster than ordinary rinsing. I don’t know if it has any effect on the thiourea reaction with the silver (where are those chemists when you need them [USER=33176]@Kentucky[/USER]), but the baking soda solution probably just rinses it off."</p><p>If you're new to playing with chemistry, you probably don’t need to use baking soda AS LONG AS YOU RINSE AND DRY THOROUGHLY. Keep it simple IMO. If you have the chem lab or coin conservation experience (Dr. White for example), then you probably know when to use a neutralizing solution."</p><p><br /></p><p>Baking soda in solution is virtually harmless. A running water rinse does not neutralize the chemicals thoroughly. That's why so many silver coins are seen with <span style="color: rgb(179, 89, 0)">flowing brown stains</span> indicating improper rinsing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bman33, posted: "I was told that if any spots showing up from the acid would have revealed themselves by now."</p><p><br /></p><p>This is absolutely <b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">FALSE</span></b> in most cases. It all depends on the environment as to when the stains will appear.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bman33 continued: "I have several more silver Ikes to dip and experiment on! One question I had was the patting down with cloth after distilled water rinse. How do you do this correctly? I didn't use a specialty cloth, just a brand new one."</p><p><br /></p><p>Look, most coin dealers don't have the time, expertise, or even bother to dip coins properly. I worked for a dealer who dipped a dollar, dried it with a towel and sold it an hour later. No big deal. The same dealer dumped original BU silver quarters in a bucket of ammonia, ran water on them until the smell was gone and dumped them on to towels and dried the batch with more towels. What I'm trying to say is that all the KISS methods are just that - improper and cringe worthy. No rags touch coins when you are a professional.</p><p><br /></p><p>mikenoodle, posted: "I have used micro-fiber and soft terry cloth. Both work as long as you don't rub the surface."</p><p><br /></p><p>Sure it works...see above. Only thing, blotting coins leaves a residue. If you dry your coins like this it is best to finish off with an acetone dip!</p><p><br /></p><p>mikenoodle, posted: "I agree that additional steps are overkill, Dave.</p><p>I also agree that rinsing in acetone will make the coin dry completely on its own, and typically spot-free."</p><p><br /></p><p>Keyword: "typically" <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>There are several ways to do things. Some work better than others. While some methods to dip a coin may be considered unnecessary and "overkill," others may be inadequate or not suitable for professional conservation. Usually, over time or even by just looking at a coin when a collector has dipped it the truth of my statement will be obvious. </p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore, I cannot believe <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> not one poster on this thread has <b>ever</b> seen acetone dry as a haze or spot on a coin after it was removed from a "finishing" dip.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I could post an image but I'll let you see for yourselves.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2775019, member: 24314"]jeffB, posted: "There's [I]always[/I] room for more resources! Still waiting for time on a good X-ray free-electron laser to date "dateless" Buffalos without etching them, and to see if anything can be recovered from dateless SLQs." It may work as the designs of a coin continue into their interior. Now for some humor before posting more: I sent out three dateless AG buffalo nickels to a young fellow and he returned them to me with a note that he had the "holes" for those three dates already filled! :rolleyes: Next. I should have PM'ed certain posters about neutralizing a coin. The comments in this thread "rubbed me the wrong way" due to something going on at work and I revealed too much as a way of "smacking down" what I took as some dangerous misinformation. :angelic: Oldhoopster, posted: "I suggested the avoiding the baking soda solution to simplify the process. For people without experience in a Chem lab setting, the less chemicals to play with, the less chance of making mistakes. [U]Thorough[/U] rinsing in distilled water should dilute and wash away any remaining thiourea and sulfuric acid, particularly in the concentrations found in commercially available dips. (De-ionized water would probably be better, but most people don’t have access to it). If you’re doing precision dips for very short periods of time or with higher concentrations of active chemicals, then a baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution should neutralize the H2SO4 a little faster than ordinary rinsing. I don’t know if it has any effect on the thiourea reaction with the silver (where are those chemists when you need them [USER=33176]@Kentucky[/USER]), but the baking soda solution probably just rinses it off." If you're new to playing with chemistry, you probably don’t need to use baking soda AS LONG AS YOU RINSE AND DRY THOROUGHLY. Keep it simple IMO. If you have the chem lab or coin conservation experience (Dr. White for example), then you probably know when to use a neutralizing solution." Baking soda in solution is virtually harmless. A running water rinse does not neutralize the chemicals thoroughly. That's why so many silver coins are seen with [COLOR=rgb(179, 89, 0)]flowing brown stains[/COLOR] indicating improper rinsing. Bman33, posted: "I was told that if any spots showing up from the acid would have revealed themselves by now." This is absolutely [B][COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]FALSE[/COLOR][/B] in most cases. It all depends on the environment as to when the stains will appear. Bman33 continued: "I have several more silver Ikes to dip and experiment on! One question I had was the patting down with cloth after distilled water rinse. How do you do this correctly? I didn't use a specialty cloth, just a brand new one." Look, most coin dealers don't have the time, expertise, or even bother to dip coins properly. I worked for a dealer who dipped a dollar, dried it with a towel and sold it an hour later. No big deal. The same dealer dumped original BU silver quarters in a bucket of ammonia, ran water on them until the smell was gone and dumped them on to towels and dried the batch with more towels. What I'm trying to say is that all the KISS methods are just that - improper and cringe worthy. No rags touch coins when you are a professional. mikenoodle, posted: "I have used micro-fiber and soft terry cloth. Both work as long as you don't rub the surface." Sure it works...see above. Only thing, blotting coins leaves a residue. If you dry your coins like this it is best to finish off with an acetone dip! mikenoodle, posted: "I agree that additional steps are overkill, Dave. I also agree that rinsing in acetone will make the coin dry completely on its own, and typically spot-free." Keyword: "typically" ;) There are several ways to do things. Some work better than others. While some methods to dip a coin may be considered unnecessary and "overkill," others may be inadequate or not suitable for professional conservation. Usually, over time or even by just looking at a coin when a collector has dipped it the truth of my statement will be obvious. Furthermore, I cannot believe :wacky: not one poster on this thread has [B]ever[/B] seen acetone dry as a haze or spot on a coin after it was removed from a "finishing" dip.:facepalm: I could post an image but I'll let you see for yourselves.[/QUOTE]
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