Absolutely barbaric!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Finn235, Jan 17, 2019.

  1. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I've seen a few barbarous coins come up; got me inspired to kick off a theme thread!

    One of my first passions in ancients was barbarous coins, which I still keep whenever I come across in lots, although I don't seek them out specifically anymore. Unlike the mass-produced coins, there is something a bit more personal about a coin engraved by an untrained hand and struck by the local village blacksmith. So let's see yours!

    I'll get us started with a favorite; I am not certain what it imitates, although I suspect it is after a Gallienus Zoo coin.

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    Compare vs:
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  3. Choucas

    Choucas Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    I like the idea of a reverse imitating a Gallienus zoo coin. Never saw one before. Maybe the one with the Capricorn?

    Here are two I got. The reverse of the first one ( IMP C TETRVCVS P F) is maybe a degenerate Victoria. I have no idea about the second one, maybe a standing figure, the second pic being upside down.
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Your barbazoo out barbs my barbazoo:
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    I always like an excuse to show my Indian tribute penny. I enjoy the fact that you can tell it was copied from one coin that was off center so the copyist had no idea what to put there.

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    My other favorite is a Faustina II sestertius. Barbarous large bronzes are not common.
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  5. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Excepting Claudius II, barbarous coins of the central emperors are much less common than of the Tetricii.

    One of my favorite examples is this almost literate Gallienus with a gibberish reverse imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-9vGUifsfojk.jpg

    Also less common are Gallic types for earlier emperors, her is Victorinus with a badly rendered, but literate legend with the S's all sideways
    C VICTORINV~ AUC
    ~ALV~ AVGG~ (SALVS AVGG S)
    The reverse isn't Salus, though. Unless maybe the last S is supposed to be a snake?
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  6. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I have a few of those lying about....

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  7. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Finn235, Good choice for a thread. Your barbarous radiate looks like it was made by the local blacksmith :hilarious:. Attached are photos of a gold solidus in imitation of a solidus of Zeno, made by a German barbarian tribe (probably the Ostrogoths), late 5th - early 6th century, 20 mm, 4.48 gm. I scored this coin from the Triton XXI auction. The coin is remarkably close to a genuine coin accept for the face. For comparison a genuine solidus is below it.
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  8. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Barbarous coins are also fun to collect from the Constantine period and beyond

    Constantine?
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    Magnentius
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    Some barbarous horsemen
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    Also horsemen, but these are tiny, at 6-8mm!
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  9. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Another early passion was the anepigraphic "cross in wreath" coins of Theodosius II. They are less common, but barbs exist of those too
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    This one is especially intriguing; I spent a couple years researching before I finally accepted it as "just barbarous"
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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Wow. All of you guys' coins are so bad they're good! Keep em coming!
     
  11. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    This imitation of a Constantine with two Victories reverse is still pretty recognizable in the designs, but the legend gives it away:
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Two rare falling horsemen:

    Decentius does not exist as a falling horseman and Magnentius is very rare.
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    Many emperors had a problem with ego but none more so than the great Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.
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  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I like that IIIIIIIIIIIIII haha. They didn't even try on that one.
     
  14. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Barbarous coins can give us some interesting things, as Doug pointed out. Of particular interest, at least to me:

    - All coins of Tetricus II as Augustus may be barbarous.
    - Barbarous consecration issues evidently exist for Quintillus. Perhaps minted by his few loyal soldiers?
    - Barbarous consecration issues exist for Valerian I, who was never deified because the Romans never found out what happened to him.
    - I've seen mention of barbarous consecration types for Tetricus I and II, neither of whom died while in power, nor were they deified.

    Does anyone have any "original" reverse types on a barbarous coin? I know they are out there, but I've never seen one.
     
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  15. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Great call @Finn235! I LOVE barbarous coinage and have the perfect song for the sitch.
    Remember The Darkness and a thing called love? They still come out with rocking stuff:

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  16. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I only saw them once when I lived in London. This was before they got big and everyone was quite confused :p
    Great coins btw :)
     
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  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I have a barbarous imitation of Jar Jar Binks:
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    Sol with whip reverse?
     
  18. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Some nice & wacky ones imgonline-com-ua-twotoone-60nUWmk0vrtZOwx3.jpg
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  19. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Two spiky barbs:

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    Tetricus type (more or less), 13 mm, 0.98 gr.

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    So spiky as to be almost unrecognizable. But there's a nose to the left and a radiant crown at 2 o'clock.
    10 mm, 0.84 gr.
     
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  20. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    One of the coins of the great king IIIIIII:

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    And a rather more sophisticated cousin of Constantius II from comic strip land:

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    Constantinus II as caesar, ca. 320-325 (prototype). AE follis. Local imitation. Stylized laureated bust t.r./Wreath with VOT XX. Both sides with mumble script. 2.18 gr.
     
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  21. Nvb

    Nvb Well-Known Member

    This was my very first ancient coin, acquired at around age 8 and never ID'd
    I just dug it out of a box at my parents' place.
    To these eyes it sure looks like a barbaric imitation but I am not well versed in Roman coins let alone barbaric imitations of Roman coins =)
    Its clearly a Tetricus issue from the obverse and thats about all I've got

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