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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Arizona Jack, post: 595022, member: 9308&quot;]in some cases you would submit in the holder, this is true for a cross over, as you are protected by the grade ......as it sits......it cannot drop if you do a crossover, it will be returned in holder , you still have your slab grade</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>on the upgrades, wow, this is a difficult situation</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>you have to gamble</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>if you so totally agree that the coin is undergraded and stands a chance to upgrade, crack it.....you have near zero to lose, worst case it will return in the same grade</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>as for the old holder myth, pcgs green, ngc no liners, i&#039;ll guess that most have already been attempted.......that leaves us with a coin in which we call a tomb.....a coin that lives in the holder.....it will be forever in that holder</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>as a cointalker/ collector/dealer, it is not always wise for me to discuss certain subjects, it is bad for biz. i am but a newbie/wannabee in this jungle. i do share my experience point blank and candid. remember gang, i am a collector first.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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