Abe Lincoln Tokens or Medals?

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  1. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    I just got this one last week sometime, a bit pricey but so are the George Washington Tokens. If you have one, post a pic! :D I saw another 1864 exact same as mine and the seller said it was made of German Silver. Whether mine is German Silver or white metal, I haven't a clue, anyone know?

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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Cool,doesn't look silver to me.
  4. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    Very nice, I think its an interesting piece. I find it peculiar that they would make a token out of silver... PCGS says they only have graded 2 of them.
  5. Randy Abercrombie

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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    German silver has no silver, just the color.

    German silver
    [ˈˌjərmən ˈsilvər]
    1. a white alloy of nickel, zinc, and copper.
  7. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    That makes sense. I thought it was weird that a token would be silver lol. It doesn’t really look like silver either.
  8. fretboard

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  9. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    @Treashunt beat me to it. German Silver is a term for white metal as it isn't silver at all.
    1887 Liberty head nickel-german silver.jpg 1887 5¢ German Silver.jpg
    A jeweler, or someone, actually stamped this nickel to make sure no one thought it was silver.
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The piece you have is made of German silver, and it is moderately scarce. In German silver it is rated as an R-4, 201 to 500 pieces known.

    As you might have suspected, German silver contains no silver. It is an ally of copper, nickel and maybe some zinc or other white metals.

    I collect the Lincoln Civil War tokens only by the obverse varieties. There are 12, maybe 13, Lincoln Civil War token obverse dies. Here is my example of obverse die #127. This one is numbered 127/248a. It is made of copper, and it is by far the most common Lincoln variety that was made during the war.

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    Your token is married to the #177 die, which is one of the George Washington statue varieties. There are four of those, and some of them are common.

    Your piece is flatly struck with a lot of detail missing, especially on the Washington side. German silver is hard and difficult to strike. These tokens are never sharp, even in high grade. That's why I have passed on them as a collector.

    My goal was to get all of the Lincoln obverse die varieties. If I were to collect all of the die marriages and metals, it would total well over 100 tokens. That really does not interest me, especially when the tokens get pricey, which many Lincoln tokens are.
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  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    German silver and white metal look similar, but German silver is a lot harder. At least it is when I would call it "the real thing." As I said earlier, German silver is hard to strike. White metal is soft and easy.
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