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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4852792, member: 93416"]Thanks for this. I sure cannot comment upon 500 years of Islamic history (I ain’t that clever). But here are a few thoughts on Al-Mu'tasim and coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>Back around 78H ‘Abd al Malik created the canonical Islamic coinage. My current opinion is that he got his chief advice from a Jewish guy called Samir. It encompassed a somewhat unified system in gold silver and copper, and so at a basic level he did something a bit similar to say Augustus, Akbar and the English restoration gvt in 1672.</p><p><br /></p><p>This all seems seems to fall apart around the time of Al-Mu'tasim. Copper issue almost entirely ceases, and silver coin starts to move away from counted individual coins to bags of weighed bullion. All this surely the start of the rot that would lead to serfdom - the disappearance of coin and markets within Islam under Turkish feudal lords by around 1000 AD.</p><p><br /></p><p>My recollection also is that after 500 years the Abbasid realm was indeed bigger than Vatican city – but that is not saying much is it?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for this too. A useful antidote to the mysterious and rather sinister bit of Youtube propaganda linked at the start of this thread.</p><p><br /></p><p>I still chiefly wonder - where does the cash come from for edhaje?</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4852792, member: 93416"]Thanks for this. I sure cannot comment upon 500 years of Islamic history (I ain’t that clever). But here are a few thoughts on Al-Mu'tasim and coinage. Back around 78H ‘Abd al Malik created the canonical Islamic coinage. My current opinion is that he got his chief advice from a Jewish guy called Samir. It encompassed a somewhat unified system in gold silver and copper, and so at a basic level he did something a bit similar to say Augustus, Akbar and the English restoration gvt in 1672. This all seems seems to fall apart around the time of Al-Mu'tasim. Copper issue almost entirely ceases, and silver coin starts to move away from counted individual coins to bags of weighed bullion. All this surely the start of the rot that would lead to serfdom - the disappearance of coin and markets within Islam under Turkish feudal lords by around 1000 AD. My recollection also is that after 500 years the Abbasid realm was indeed bigger than Vatican city – but that is not saying much is it? Thanks for this too. A useful antidote to the mysterious and rather sinister bit of Youtube propaganda linked at the start of this thread. I still chiefly wonder - where does the cash come from for edhaje? Rob[/QUOTE]
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