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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24718092, member: 26430"]I've got one coin from Cilician Aegeae, so it's very interesting to learn a bit more of the city's history. I've read a little of Florian Haymann's writing (who specializes in the city's coinage) -- what's online, anyway. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also, any Valerian Provincial is interesting for approaching the latest Provincial coins (outside of Egypt).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="5"><b>ASKLEPEION (in EPIDAUROS in PELOPONESSOS)</b>:</font></p><p>I was unaware of the Aesklepeion there or the Aesklepian Games.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some Aesklepios coins from another city with a famous Aesklepeion: Epidauros. Notice the dogs on the reverses of two. They were his companion animals and were thought to have healing properties of their own (both magical and physical, by allowing dogs to lick wounds). Pausanias wrote that dogs roamed the temple grounds both as holy animals and healers:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580813[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><font size="5">HADRIAN & CILICIAN AEGEAE:</font></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>From the silver coinage, scholars believe that Hadrian visited the city at least once, in 117 CE. (Others have proposed up to four visits, but one is likely.) From 117 to 133/4 the city struck dated Tetradrachms in the name of Hadrian. (As did other Cilician cities.) </p><p><br /></p><p>My example was struck in 130/1 (Caesarian Year 177):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580809[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]1580810[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>This coin was from the Mid-2005 Aegeae Hoard (No. 4.3.6), and illustrated in articles by Lorber & Michaels (<i>Quaderni Ticinesi </i>37, 2007, <a href="http://www.quaderniticinesi.ch/volumes/volume/silver_coinage_of_aegeae_in_the_reign_of_hadrian/author/Lorber%2C%20Catharine/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.quaderniticinesi.ch/volumes/volume/silver_coinage_of_aegeae_in_the_reign_of_hadrian/author/Lorber%2C%20Catharine/" rel="nofollow">Abstract</a>) and Florian Haymann. </p><p><br /></p><p>Haymann's article is available from a couple of sources online and gives interesting background on what we know (or speculate) about Hadrian's visit:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>Haymann, Florian. 2014. "The Hadrianic Silver Coinage of Aegeae (Cilicia)" <i>American Journal of Numismatics </i>26: pp. 143-186 + 20 plates. [<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/90016903" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/90016903" rel="nofollow">Available from JSTOR</a> ; or available <a href="https://www.academia.edu/39011608/The_Hadrianic_Silver_Coinage_of_Aegeae_Cilicia_" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/39011608/The_Hadrianic_Silver_Coinage_of_Aegeae_Cilicia_" rel="nofollow">from Haymann's Academia.edu</a> page]</p><p><br /></p><p>See also his (unpublished? n.d.) "<font size="4"><a href="https://www.academia.edu/38500218/The_silver_coins_of_Aegeae_in_the_light_of_Hadrians_Eastern_silver_coinages" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/38500218/The_silver_coins_of_Aegeae_in_the_light_of_Hadrians_Eastern_silver_coinages" rel="nofollow">The silver coins of Aegeae in the light of Hadrian's Eastern Coinages</a>."</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><font size="5">GAMES & NEOKOROS ISSUES:</font></b></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another mid-3rd century "Games" issue. This is from Thessalonica, celebrating the 2nd Kabeiric Pythian Games (local, <i>not</i> the ones in Delphi).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580808[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>One thing to notice -- the reverse legend:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>ΘƐϹϹΑΛΟΝΙΚƐΩΝ ΝƐΩ / ·ΠΥΘΙΑΔΙ· / ·Β· </p><p>[<i>Thessalonians, Neo(korate) / Pythian Games / #2</i>]</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>The Neokorate part is interesting and important. A very important privileged relationship with Rome, almost always mentioned prominently on a city's coinage. </p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>(An important topic for Roman Provinces and their coins. A good intro is Barbara Burrell, 2004, <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Neokoroi/AaaClrSUtHsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Neokoroi/AaaClrSUtHsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover" rel="nofollow">Neokoroi Greek Cities and Roman Emperors</a> [53 pp. preview on Google].)</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>What I notice about the OP coin: </p><p><br /></p><p>There doesn't seem to be any mention of the city's Neokorate status? But Cilicia, Aegeae had been awarded Neokorate status.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's almost always mentioned on coinage, especially local Games coinage (holding them was a requirements for Neokoroi), at least an abbreviation (e.g., NE or ΝƐⲰ). <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?city_id=8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?city_id=8" rel="nofollow">Looking at RPC Online</a>, I noticed a few others that leave it out (e.g., a few from Philip I & Trajan Decius) -- I wonder why? Was the status lost, or less important at that time, or if they just didn't include it in the ethnic here for some other reason?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="5"><b>NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH...</b></font></p><p><br /></p><p>the other one -- Achaea, Achaia, among other spellings -- in which, even more confusingly, there is also a city, Aigai! This ACHAIA the great Province, more-or-less synonymous with Greece or Central Greece. This coin is from the veteran colony of Patras (Patraea) in Achaea:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1580816[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24718092, member: 26430"]I've got one coin from Cilician Aegeae, so it's very interesting to learn a bit more of the city's history. I've read a little of Florian Haymann's writing (who specializes in the city's coinage) -- what's online, anyway. Also, any Valerian Provincial is interesting for approaching the latest Provincial coins (outside of Egypt). [SIZE=5][B]ASKLEPEION (in EPIDAUROS in PELOPONESSOS)[/B]:[/SIZE] I was unaware of the Aesklepeion there or the Aesklepian Games. Here are some Aesklepios coins from another city with a famous Aesklepeion: Epidauros. Notice the dogs on the reverses of two. They were his companion animals and were thought to have healing properties of their own (both magical and physical, by allowing dogs to lick wounds). Pausanias wrote that dogs roamed the temple grounds both as holy animals and healers: [ATTACH=full]1580813[/ATTACH] [B][SIZE=5]HADRIAN & CILICIAN AEGEAE:[/SIZE] [/B] From the silver coinage, scholars believe that Hadrian visited the city at least once, in 117 CE. (Others have proposed up to four visits, but one is likely.) From 117 to 133/4 the city struck dated Tetradrachms in the name of Hadrian. (As did other Cilician cities.) My example was struck in 130/1 (Caesarian Year 177): [ATTACH=full]1580809[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1580810[/ATTACH] This coin was from the Mid-2005 Aegeae Hoard (No. 4.3.6), and illustrated in articles by Lorber & Michaels ([I]Quaderni Ticinesi [/I]37, 2007, [URL='http://www.quaderniticinesi.ch/volumes/volume/silver_coinage_of_aegeae_in_the_reign_of_hadrian/author/Lorber%2C%20Catharine/']Abstract[/URL]) and Florian Haymann. Haymann's article is available from a couple of sources online and gives interesting background on what we know (or speculate) about Hadrian's visit: [INDENT]Haymann, Florian. 2014. "The Hadrianic Silver Coinage of Aegeae (Cilicia)" [I]American Journal of Numismatics [/I]26: pp. 143-186 + 20 plates. [[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/90016903']Available from JSTOR[/URL] ; or available [URL='https://www.academia.edu/39011608/The_Hadrianic_Silver_Coinage_of_Aegeae_Cilicia_']from Haymann's Academia.edu[/URL] page] See also his (unpublished? n.d.) "[SIZE=4][URL='https://www.academia.edu/38500218/The_silver_coins_of_Aegeae_in_the_light_of_Hadrians_Eastern_silver_coinages']The silver coins of Aegeae in the light of Hadrian's Eastern Coinages[/URL]."[/SIZE][/INDENT] [B][SIZE=5]GAMES & NEOKOROS ISSUES:[/SIZE][/B] Here's another mid-3rd century "Games" issue. This is from Thessalonica, celebrating the 2nd Kabeiric Pythian Games (local, [I]not[/I] the ones in Delphi). [ATTACH=full]1580808[/ATTACH] One thing to notice -- the reverse legend: [INDENT]ΘƐϹϹΑΛΟΝΙΚƐΩΝ ΝƐΩ / ·ΠΥΘΙΑΔΙ· / ·Β· [[I]Thessalonians, Neo(korate) / Pythian Games / #2[/I]][/INDENT] The Neokorate part is interesting and important. A very important privileged relationship with Rome, almost always mentioned prominently on a city's coinage. [INDENT](An important topic for Roman Provinces and their coins. A good intro is Barbara Burrell, 2004, [URL='https://www.google.com/books/edition/Neokoroi/AaaClrSUtHsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover']Neokoroi Greek Cities and Roman Emperors[/URL] [53 pp. preview on Google].)[/INDENT] What I notice about the OP coin: There doesn't seem to be any mention of the city's Neokorate status? But Cilicia, Aegeae had been awarded Neokorate status. It's almost always mentioned on coinage, especially local Games coinage (holding them was a requirements for Neokoroi), at least an abbreviation (e.g., NE or ΝƐⲰ). [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?city_id=8']Looking at RPC Online[/URL], I noticed a few others that leave it out (e.g., a few from Philip I & Trajan Decius) -- I wonder why? Was the status lost, or less important at that time, or if they just didn't include it in the ethnic here for some other reason? [SIZE=5][B]NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH...[/B][/SIZE] the other one -- Achaea, Achaia, among other spellings -- in which, even more confusingly, there is also a city, Aigai! This ACHAIA the great Province, more-or-less synonymous with Greece or Central Greece. This coin is from the veteran colony of Patras (Patraea) in Achaea: [ATTACH=full]1580816[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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