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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2680491, member: 19463"]I am fine with Nemo's definition of 'Find Patina' even if 90% of it is caked on dirt rather than some chemical compound. I tend to suspect that many of our really well toned silver coins today were cleaned in the past - perhaps even a century ago - and have darkened to look natural in the sense of Morgan dollars that have been toning for that same time. My recent purchase of Alexandrian tetradrachms included coins provenanced to the Dattari collection of over a century ago and coins with sales listed more in the 50 year range. They were not the same color/tone. Were they dark when Dattari owned them or did he bathe them all in 1900 era dip? I have no idea. My preference on coins like the OP is to leave them as they are if they are attractive and this one is. There are plenty of ugly coins we can play doctor with before we need to mess with fixing what is not broken.</p><p><br /></p><p>About 15 years ago at a Baltimore show, I got to see a large plastic bag filled with Athenian tetradrachms all having 'Find Patina'. I also saw another bag of coins of the same type with what I would call bright silver surfaces. Most buyers preferred the silver colored silver coins. I suspect both groups had recently looked the same. I also suspect that most of the 'Find' ones have been cleaned in some way since I saw them.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Alegandron's coin is the kind that gets me in trouble. Were it my coin, I would be gnawed at by the question of being fourree. My guess is no. If it were a fine silver issue, I'd probably plop it in lemon juice on the theory that I would learn something but these Victoriati could stand a little more finesse and that is not my strong suite. I don't want to advise people on what to do with their coins under such circumstances but I might point out that it is easier to overclean a coin that it is to neglect it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2680491, member: 19463"]I am fine with Nemo's definition of 'Find Patina' even if 90% of it is caked on dirt rather than some chemical compound. I tend to suspect that many of our really well toned silver coins today were cleaned in the past - perhaps even a century ago - and have darkened to look natural in the sense of Morgan dollars that have been toning for that same time. My recent purchase of Alexandrian tetradrachms included coins provenanced to the Dattari collection of over a century ago and coins with sales listed more in the 50 year range. They were not the same color/tone. Were they dark when Dattari owned them or did he bathe them all in 1900 era dip? I have no idea. My preference on coins like the OP is to leave them as they are if they are attractive and this one is. There are plenty of ugly coins we can play doctor with before we need to mess with fixing what is not broken. About 15 years ago at a Baltimore show, I got to see a large plastic bag filled with Athenian tetradrachms all having 'Find Patina'. I also saw another bag of coins of the same type with what I would call bright silver surfaces. Most buyers preferred the silver colored silver coins. I suspect both groups had recently looked the same. I also suspect that most of the 'Find' ones have been cleaned in some way since I saw them. Alegandron's coin is the kind that gets me in trouble. Were it my coin, I would be gnawed at by the question of being fourree. My guess is no. If it were a fine silver issue, I'd probably plop it in lemon juice on the theory that I would learn something but these Victoriati could stand a little more finesse and that is not my strong suite. I don't want to advise people on what to do with their coins under such circumstances but I might point out that it is easier to overclean a coin that it is to neglect it.[/QUOTE]
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