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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4596226, member: 110350"]1. I was neither the first nor the second person in this thread to raise the importance of the Khazar descent issue to contemporary anti-Semitism. The argument that "the Jews" are not in fact "the real Jews" -- and, therefore, have no actual historical connection to Israel or to the Jews of the Hebrew and Christian Bibles -- is one of the major arguments continually repeated by anti-Semites, as well as by anti-Zionists who think it will further their cause. (In fact, it's a worthless distraction from the actual issues surrounding the I/P conflict.) And yes, as a Jewish person myself, I do consider issues significantly bearing on the analysis of contemporary anti-Semitism to be "more important" than considerations concerning "matters of medieval global macro-economics," as fascinating as you may find them. Especially given that nothing you've said is remotely novel; the significant role of Jewish merchants -- whether Radhanites or other Jews -- as economic intermediaries between the Christian and Muslim worlds in the early Middle Ages has been studied intensively for a long time. You should read the books of S.D. Goitein, among others, if you haven't already. As I'm sure you're aware, that role pretty much came to an end with the beginning of the Crusades, a development that had a significant causal effect on the growth of the role of "Jew as moneylender" in medieval Europe. Which obviously played its own part in contributing to anti-Semitism. In any event, we obviously disagree on the relative importance of certain issues.</p><p><br /></p><p>2. Not a single word I wrote on the genetic issues is either "hyperbolic" or "misleading." I explained why I didn't include the many citations supporting my arguments -- they would have increased my already-lengthy post (which was intended as a general summary) to absurd proportions. In any event, I doubt that you're remotely qualified to discuss these issues, or, frankly, even to hold an opinion on them. I also doubt that this is an appropriate place for such a discussion. Not that I have any real interest in having a discussion with you about any subject, in any venue.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4596226, member: 110350"]1. I was neither the first nor the second person in this thread to raise the importance of the Khazar descent issue to contemporary anti-Semitism. The argument that "the Jews" are not in fact "the real Jews" -- and, therefore, have no actual historical connection to Israel or to the Jews of the Hebrew and Christian Bibles -- is one of the major arguments continually repeated by anti-Semites, as well as by anti-Zionists who think it will further their cause. (In fact, it's a worthless distraction from the actual issues surrounding the I/P conflict.) And yes, as a Jewish person myself, I do consider issues significantly bearing on the analysis of contemporary anti-Semitism to be "more important" than considerations concerning "matters of medieval global macro-economics," as fascinating as you may find them. Especially given that nothing you've said is remotely novel; the significant role of Jewish merchants -- whether Radhanites or other Jews -- as economic intermediaries between the Christian and Muslim worlds in the early Middle Ages has been studied intensively for a long time. You should read the books of S.D. Goitein, among others, if you haven't already. As I'm sure you're aware, that role pretty much came to an end with the beginning of the Crusades, a development that had a significant causal effect on the growth of the role of "Jew as moneylender" in medieval Europe. Which obviously played its own part in contributing to anti-Semitism. In any event, we obviously disagree on the relative importance of certain issues. 2. Not a single word I wrote on the genetic issues is either "hyperbolic" or "misleading." I explained why I didn't include the many citations supporting my arguments -- they would have increased my already-lengthy post (which was intended as a general summary) to absurd proportions. In any event, I doubt that you're remotely qualified to discuss these issues, or, frankly, even to hold an opinion on them. I also doubt that this is an appropriate place for such a discussion. Not that I have any real interest in having a discussion with you about any subject, in any venue.[/QUOTE]
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