A Tale Of Two Rim CUDs - 2018P Cumberland Islands

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  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I found these two Cumberland Islands quarters about 2 weeks apart. The first one was the smaller rim cud and the larger one was today. I am assuming these are a progression of the same rim cud. What do you all think?
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Unless you can find a marker on both that would link them to the same die, the fact that they are part of a progression is only speculation. What is that mark along the rim to the right of the mintmark on the second photo? ~ Chris
     
  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Interesting. Could be.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

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  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I have no idea Chris. Looks like some kind of scratching/damage on the die itself. It is raised.
     
  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    The big one is on there but the small one isn’t.
    @mikediamond let’s see if he is still around ;)
     
  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    @paddyman98 would the first be considered a finned rim, instead of a cud because it hadn't enveloped fully?
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    As I look at both Quarters they also seem like slightly Misaligned Die strikes. The side in question would cause some finning.
     
  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    These aren’t finned. The larger one is listed on cuds-on-coins as
    CU-25c-2018P-01(CI) Rim Cud
    http://cuds-on-coins.com/washington-quarter-cuds-state-terr-2/
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The angle of strike would surely cause this collar to break. Until further evidence
    . I would call them note worthy
    . @furryfrog02 can you find any other die markers? There is a finned rim that extends in the same direction towards 6 that is enveloped by your second example.
    . Can you confirm that they are the same dies?
     
  12. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I will take a closer look at them once I get the kids to sleep :)
     
  13. paddyman98

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  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Here are a few more photos. Sorry I can’t do much better right now. My daughter knocked over my laptop and the charger plug broke. On just my phone until the new one comes. The only similarities I could find is a die crack along George’s neck
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  15. cpm9ball

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    The base of the neck is a common place for die cracks on almost all dies. ~ Chris
     
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  16. cpm9ball

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    If it is on the die, then it would have to show up on the coin with the smaller cud, but it doesn't. This makes me think that the cuds are on two separate dies. ~ Chris
     
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  17. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Since it is on the larger cud and not the smaller one, I was thinking it perhaps happened as the die broke further. Totally just a guess though.
     
  18. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    Agree, two different dies..not a single die state progression.
     
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  19. cpm9ball

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    ;);););););)
     
  20. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    Upon further review, (forgive the football axiom) IMO, it is possible that the coins could have been struck from the same die. The longer cud on one coin extends beyond the location of the shorter cud both clockwise and counterclockwise. Furthermore, the longer cud is wider, so this cud could have resulted from a later die state.

    It is also possible that the two coins were struck from different dies. A close check of other markers on the coins, particularly those which show up on both coins in the same location on the obverse , could resolve the issue. I haven’t checked the ‘cud site’, but that could give clues.
    Dan
     
  21. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Looking at the example on the website, it seems to have the same marks to the right of the mintmark:
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