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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 4209854, member: 26302"]Again, WHY? </p><p><br /></p><p>Listen, I am not debating it is interesting to compare why details are missing. I know such things in ancient coins. We discuss worn dies, weak strike, etc all of the time. Do not begin to believe modern coins have a corner on this, ancient hand struck coins are 100 times more likely to have poor strikes or worn dies. </p><p><br /></p><p>However, again, to a collector looking for the most details on a coin, (as most collectors like coins, and the more they can see presumably the better), WHY is wear worst than poor strike or worn dies? While from a technical view your coin is interesting why its weak in details, from an aesthetic view the reverse is no better than a common VF. I would grade that as VF, weak strike.</p><p><br /></p><p>All coins have a potential max detail that could have been on the coin. Most types have examples like that in existence. THAT is a max grade coin. Any deficiency, from bag marks, to weak strike, to worn die, to wear that lowers it from that max by definition should lower the grade. Again, it is OK that a coin leaves the mint VF. If some wish to collect error coins that left the mint VF then god bless, more power to them. However, the original sin of US numismatics was to say wear is the WORST THING IN THE WORLD, and ONLY WEAR lowers the grade of a coin. Most coin collecting areas of the world do NOT say that, though the advent of TPGs on world and ancient markets is bringing that error to more collectors.</p><p><br /></p><p>Btw [USER=46237]@Jaelus[/USER] I am worth my salt in my own view. I am not CONFUSING THEM, I am saying your weak strike should not raise its grade above what details are on the coin. I probably have been collecting as long or longer than you, and own tens of thousands of coins sir and a substantial library. I am not a neophyte. I understand you have about 180 years of US numismatic history on your side, I am saying I have 500 years of ancient numismatic history on mine.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 4209854, member: 26302"]Again, WHY? Listen, I am not debating it is interesting to compare why details are missing. I know such things in ancient coins. We discuss worn dies, weak strike, etc all of the time. Do not begin to believe modern coins have a corner on this, ancient hand struck coins are 100 times more likely to have poor strikes or worn dies. However, again, to a collector looking for the most details on a coin, (as most collectors like coins, and the more they can see presumably the better), WHY is wear worst than poor strike or worn dies? While from a technical view your coin is interesting why its weak in details, from an aesthetic view the reverse is no better than a common VF. I would grade that as VF, weak strike. All coins have a potential max detail that could have been on the coin. Most types have examples like that in existence. THAT is a max grade coin. Any deficiency, from bag marks, to weak strike, to worn die, to wear that lowers it from that max by definition should lower the grade. Again, it is OK that a coin leaves the mint VF. If some wish to collect error coins that left the mint VF then god bless, more power to them. However, the original sin of US numismatics was to say wear is the WORST THING IN THE WORLD, and ONLY WEAR lowers the grade of a coin. Most coin collecting areas of the world do NOT say that, though the advent of TPGs on world and ancient markets is bringing that error to more collectors. Btw [USER=46237]@Jaelus[/USER] I am worth my salt in my own view. I am not CONFUSING THEM, I am saying your weak strike should not raise its grade above what details are on the coin. I probably have been collecting as long or longer than you, and own tens of thousands of coins sir and a substantial library. I am not a neophyte. I understand you have about 180 years of US numismatic history on your side, I am saying I have 500 years of ancient numismatic history on mine.[/QUOTE]
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