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<p>[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 5285070, member: 73165"]John, you know I always love your posts about these very deceptive counterfeits. Almost all of them would have fooled me, including this one. Fortunately, it's a key date, and I collect primarily by type. There are a lot fewer fakes of generic type coins than there are of key dates, I would guess. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't mean to start anything by naming "He Who Shall Not Be Named" here, but the luster on that coin reminds me a lot of one of Dan Carr's satin finish coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Consider me fooled. The worst part is that the thing that would have attracted me to that coin (the cool obverse die crack) is one of the things that gives it away as a fake.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That half reminds me of an SLQ I have. Everything looks perfect on it, except the date: it just says 192. I bought it as a curiosity from someone who said that Jay Kline once owned it. Everybody I've ever shown it to is completely baffled by it. PCGS sent it back and basically said "we don't know what this is, either."</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll see if I can get a pic of it up here sometime.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I went through every 1884-S on eBay certified and graded AU58 or better, and couldn't match it either. Then, I went to PCGS CoinFacts and looked at 1884-CC. Three of the first 4 listed there had the exact die crack I mentioned would be the thing that interested me.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You think that was done on purpose? I've always thought die cracks couldn't really be replicated on a die struck fake. Even if they could be, you could end up with a die with a reduced lifespan. Bare minimum, when the die cracked further, it probably wouldn't crack the same way as the original die, unless the original was a very late die state, such that there aren't really any more advanced die state coins available.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 5285070, member: 73165"]John, you know I always love your posts about these very deceptive counterfeits. Almost all of them would have fooled me, including this one. Fortunately, it's a key date, and I collect primarily by type. There are a lot fewer fakes of generic type coins than there are of key dates, I would guess. :-) I don't mean to start anything by naming "He Who Shall Not Be Named" here, but the luster on that coin reminds me a lot of one of Dan Carr's satin finish coins. Consider me fooled. The worst part is that the thing that would have attracted me to that coin (the cool obverse die crack) is one of the things that gives it away as a fake. That half reminds me of an SLQ I have. Everything looks perfect on it, except the date: it just says 192. I bought it as a curiosity from someone who said that Jay Kline once owned it. Everybody I've ever shown it to is completely baffled by it. PCGS sent it back and basically said "we don't know what this is, either." I'll see if I can get a pic of it up here sometime. I went through every 1884-S on eBay certified and graded AU58 or better, and couldn't match it either. Then, I went to PCGS CoinFacts and looked at 1884-CC. Three of the first 4 listed there had the exact die crack I mentioned would be the thing that interested me. You think that was done on purpose? I've always thought die cracks couldn't really be replicated on a die struck fake. Even if they could be, you could end up with a die with a reduced lifespan. Bare minimum, when the die cracked further, it probably wouldn't crack the same way as the original die, unless the original was a very late die state, such that there aren't really any more advanced die state coins available.[/QUOTE]
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