A special FH

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  1. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    There are so many little things to find others (myself included) miss, from the decoration on the horse rump, the lettering, the diadem type (it seems like there's even a variety or pearl-diademed bust) or fancy boots (Doug has one).

    I did send Dane a picture of the coin, but yes she is quite bust at the moment to talk it seems. Another collector of FH on forvm we know Said he's never seen a spiral shield before, so it would be exciting to see if someone finds another. I'd be curious to know what Tory thought but does he even have interest in these any more?
     
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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    With regards to variety, I've always wanted to find (and own) a die match for one my coins. Once I found a match for an Alexandrian FH in a personal collection, not for sale though. It shows just how many varieties there are I think.
     
  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Excellent score, Dr Geki! It really does take a specialist in the field to catch these things, and you guys always impress me when you do so.
     
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  5. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have looked through all mine and cannot find anything like as elaborate.

    This one has a waved edge surrounding the dots rather then just the ring of dots

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    This one has a pattern of large dots in a straight line through the middle.

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    Circles with dots in the middle....

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    Martin
     
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  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    All are cool, especially that shield on the Aquileia .
     
  7. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Just like VAMs of the Morgan Dollars, we could conceive some sort of VAFH for that interesting ancient series. BTW.. I noticed that the following coin has 3 caps on the reverse, instead of 2 ( one cap for each of the 2 knights ). Am I seeing right ?

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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Oh MAN! @randygeki ! I really think that is a COOL find with that Spiral Shield!!! Very unique. Perhaps a bored or creative Celator!?

    I went back and checked mine out. Pretty boring, simple shapes, and mine are too circulated to have good detail.

    HOWEVER, I went back and checked one of mine again... I am convinced the Romans were far ahead of their time. They IDENTIFIED a GALAXY:

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    upload_2017-10-13_10-59-11.png ...look really hard...

    This shield has the boss in the center with two arms SPIRALING out from the center! Perhaps they saw Galaxy NGC1365...
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    Perhaps Edwin Hubble was not the first to classify Galaxies...
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    All jokes! Just having fun, as you REALLY got me interested in checking out my shield design.

    Looking at all the Fallen Horsemen designs, YOUR Shield is REALLY unique and COOL!!! CONGRATS finding it!!!
     
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  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Are you talking about the field mark (left field)?





    :D

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  10. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    @R.G. Yes.. I was talking about the field mark on the left field. What is that over there, if not a cap ?
     
  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    It's an S
     
  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    similar to this one
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  13. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I see. That's plausible, depending on the engraver's mood or way of configuring that letter. I'm rather convinced. Thank you.
     
  14. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    I went through the bag o Romans and found these:

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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    A resource for late roman shield patterns is the notitia dignitatum, which shows the shield patterns by military unit in the late 4th and early fifth centuries.

    http://lukeuedasarson.com/NotitiaPatterns.html

    Here's an example:

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    Do you see any spirals in there? Cool thread, by the way!
     
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  16. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    And, a lot different from the early empire! Check this testudo out!

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  17. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A very neat site Thanks for the link. Found one so far

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  18. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    This early Nicomedia seems to show a buckler rather than a shield.

    Constantius II - AE2

    Obv:- D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, pearl diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:- FEL TEMP REPARATIO, Helmeted soldier to left, shield on left arm, spearing falling horseman; shield on ground at right. Horseman wears a Phrygian cap and falls forward clutching horse's neck
    Minted in Nicomedia (* | _ // SMNA). A.D. 348-351
    References:- RIC VIII Nicomedia 63 (Rated R).

    5.89 gms. 22.76 mm. 0 degrees

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  19. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Nice! I'm glad you got that one.

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  20. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    It is about the one-year anniversary of this thread, so I thought I would resurrect it for a pretty special FH.

    I avoid calling attention to single coins at auction as per etiquette protocols, but coins in retail dealer stock, I assume, are not inappropriate to reference. If I’m wrong in this assumption here, please correct me.

    I saw this remarkable fallen horseman in the new stock of VCoins dealer Mike Vosper. Not only is it in extremely fine condition, it has that extremely rare Chi-Rho in the midst of the violence.

    At over $400, it is too rich for my blood. But the combination of rarity and high-quality means that I believe it is actually one pricey LRB whose premium is worth it.

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  21. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    It's a wonderful coin. Based on what I've seen them go for in the past, it's a good price. I don't think these are extremely rare but also not common as RIC suggests. Maybe just scarce? I think the chi-rho makes this a more popular coin and influences the price more than rarity.

    I have a very poor example of Constantius II ric 195.
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