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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ken Dorney, post: 2512716, member: 76086&quot;]Well, this debate only keeps coming back, and likely will for many years.&nbsp; True, the Black Sea Hoard is largely condemned by most (but one will find many who will offer a dissenting opinion).&nbsp; Doug points out some really good aspects of things to check for:&nbsp; tool marks.&nbsp; If the coin is high grade, and largely &#039;unworn&#039; one can see the remnant markings of modern rotary tools.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Many years ago when the Bulgarians were first sending fakes to the market I had a table at one of the San Francisco shows (early 1990&#039;s).&nbsp; I was a small dealer then (well, I still am a small dealer now and always will be). At this time the Bulgarian dealers were new to the scene and not many of us knew much about them.&nbsp; One of them showed up and began making his rounds through the show.&nbsp; CNG had the #1 table at the entrance, I was towards the back.&nbsp; This dealer made the rounds, selling many coins.&nbsp; When he came to me, he showed me his wares.&nbsp; Many common provincial bronzes, Macedonian bronzes, but a whole pot of Danubian Celtic imitative tetradrachms of Thasos.&nbsp; They were wonderful, and priced right (not cheap, but right, I could make $20 on them).&nbsp; I bought two and he went away to offer to the other dealers.&nbsp; Several hours later I had time to examine them more closely under magnification.&nbsp; They just didn&#039;t look right.&nbsp; There were markings on them I could not quantify and they made me uneasy (this was before the knowledge we now have about how dies are made with modern tools).&nbsp; I saw the guy, asked him if I could return them which he said, yes, your loss.&nbsp; Years later these were known fakes, but many were sold in dealers trays and auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>What is the point of this expanded story?&nbsp; Check your facts, do your research.&nbsp; I have always advocated the ownership of books.&nbsp; One cant find it all for free on the internet.&nbsp; I know, its hard to spend $200 on a book when one might be able to get a bunch of $5, $10, $20 coins on Ebay.&nbsp; But, well, one gets what they pay for.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, as to the coins in this topic, I have not seen any that link to the known fake dies.&nbsp; But, I have only so much time.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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