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<p>[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 5853892, member: 110504"]Many thanks, [USER=87080]@TheRed[/USER]. It's also fun to watch the alliances between the different factions who were in the habit of staging baronial revolts, sometimes over several generations. Along with the obvious importance of the Angevins in the process.</p><p>Your raising of the issue of the last gasp of the Angevin Empire lit up some synapses --thanks for that, too! There are real affinities with when the baronial revolts became a lost cause (some of this stuff was happening simultaneously). But your point about Taillebourg (for those just tuning in, in 1241) made me think about the dangers of hindsight in both cases. It's easy to think of the Taillebourg campaign (when Henry III made a last attempt to reconquer some what King John had lost --in collusion with Lusignans and other French barons) was doomed from the start. But it took a major mobilization of Capetian forces, and some pretty good generalship, to stop that.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="+VGO.DVCKS, post: 5853892, member: 110504"]Many thanks, [USER=87080]@TheRed[/USER]. It's also fun to watch the alliances between the different factions who were in the habit of staging baronial revolts, sometimes over several generations. Along with the obvious importance of the Angevins in the process. Your raising of the issue of the last gasp of the Angevin Empire lit up some synapses --thanks for that, too! There are real affinities with when the baronial revolts became a lost cause (some of this stuff was happening simultaneously). But your point about Taillebourg (for those just tuning in, in 1241) made me think about the dangers of hindsight in both cases. It's easy to think of the Taillebourg campaign (when Henry III made a last attempt to reconquer some what King John had lost --in collusion with Lusignans and other French barons) was doomed from the start. But it took a major mobilization of Capetian forces, and some pretty good generalship, to stop that.[/QUOTE]
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