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<p>[QUOTE="Tom Maringer, post: 183479, member: 7033"]Spiralstreet:</p><p>Yes i can ship to a US address if you prefer. I have things going out every day worldwide though, and usually ship to India via Global Priority Mail... it's no problem if you'd like me to ship direct... if it's not a problem at your end. </p><p><br /></p><p>To all: There was an earlier thread about these nickels at <a href="http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=19819" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=19819" rel="nofollow">http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=19819</a> Recently I've had one person, a veteran and current government employee, send me a private-message letting me know that they were offended by this contest because they deemed the inscriptions inappropriate for this forum. I wonder if many other people feel this way. Basically... I wonder what possible problem someone could have with "NO MORE LIES". Are lies EVER a good thing? Does the TRUTH matter so little now that we simply accept lying as natural and necessary? And since no particular target is named... the referent could be Clinton's lies as well as anyone else's... what possible offense could be taken except by those who lie or support the use of lies as policy? Then there is "NO MORE WAR". Could it be that there are actually people who WANT war? I selected the Jeffersonian quotes specifically to point out what sort of international policy our founding fathers sought for our future and their legacy. If anyone bothers to actually peruse the extensive collection of his writings it becomes very clear that in his view war was to be avoided at all costs except as a last resort in dire self-defense. He even went so far as to borrow money from bankers in Holland to buy off Napoleon in order to avoid war with France. (We call this the Louisiana Purchase... read about it... it worked!). I feel quite certain that Thomas Jefferson would have supported both of these statements and would have acknowledged their linkage the one to the other. </p><p><br /></p><p>I suggest that Lies and Wars are strongly linked in a web of mutual causality. Whose lies? Well... that is a matter for debate and discussion is it not? Therefore handing people this nickel is useful as a way of engaging others in meaningful discussion, no matter what their political affiliation. You might be amazed at the conversations this little thing can spark when you hand it to somebody and say:</p><p><br /></p><p>So here's my five cents worth! </p><p><br /></p><p>Be well!</p><p><br /></p><p>Tom</p><p><br /></p><p>"Peace is our most important interest, and a recovery from debt"[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Tom Maringer, post: 183479, member: 7033"]Spiralstreet: Yes i can ship to a US address if you prefer. I have things going out every day worldwide though, and usually ship to India via Global Priority Mail... it's no problem if you'd like me to ship direct... if it's not a problem at your end. To all: There was an earlier thread about these nickels at [url]http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=19819[/url] Recently I've had one person, a veteran and current government employee, send me a private-message letting me know that they were offended by this contest because they deemed the inscriptions inappropriate for this forum. I wonder if many other people feel this way. Basically... I wonder what possible problem someone could have with "NO MORE LIES". Are lies EVER a good thing? Does the TRUTH matter so little now that we simply accept lying as natural and necessary? And since no particular target is named... the referent could be Clinton's lies as well as anyone else's... what possible offense could be taken except by those who lie or support the use of lies as policy? Then there is "NO MORE WAR". Could it be that there are actually people who WANT war? I selected the Jeffersonian quotes specifically to point out what sort of international policy our founding fathers sought for our future and their legacy. If anyone bothers to actually peruse the extensive collection of his writings it becomes very clear that in his view war was to be avoided at all costs except as a last resort in dire self-defense. He even went so far as to borrow money from bankers in Holland to buy off Napoleon in order to avoid war with France. (We call this the Louisiana Purchase... read about it... it worked!). I feel quite certain that Thomas Jefferson would have supported both of these statements and would have acknowledged their linkage the one to the other. I suggest that Lies and Wars are strongly linked in a web of mutual causality. Whose lies? Well... that is a matter for debate and discussion is it not? Therefore handing people this nickel is useful as a way of engaging others in meaningful discussion, no matter what their political affiliation. You might be amazed at the conversations this little thing can spark when you hand it to somebody and say: So here's my five cents worth! Be well! Tom "Peace is our most important interest, and a recovery from debt"[/QUOTE]
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