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Message:: [QUOTE="Mark Feld, post: 723593, member: 11467"]I'm sorry, Mark, but you've not convinced me...   Quote:                         Originally Posted by Mark Feld <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t75859-4/#post723051" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t75859-4/#post723051"><img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>  If a would-be buyer is put in the position of having to make an offer, he is often in a lose-lose situation. If he offers too little (even if the offer is fair), he might offend the seller. And if he offers a fair or even strong price, the seller might still ask for more and/or shop the item around.    That's kind of the point of the seller not offering first, to put the one doing the buying at a disadvantage. I think your nature of fair play (which I happen to share with you in most cases) is getting in the way of maximizing selling price. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />  Said another way, a lose-lose situation for the buyer is a win-win for the seller.   Quote:                         Originally Posted by Mark Feld <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t75859-4/#post723051" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t75859-4/#post723051"><img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>  As a dealer, here's something else I've seen or experienced in making a fair offer.....A seller will shop dealer #1's offer around and end up selling to another dealer (dealer #2) for a minimal amount over dealer #1's original offer. And that is even though dealer#2 wouldn't otherwise have offered or paid nearly that much. The guy who was up front and fair ends up the loser.    "Again, that's kind of the point -- to get the most out of the coin.  If shopping around gets you to that point, so be it.   Also, if the seller keeps his mouth shut about the prior offer, dealer #2 wouldn't know what to bid relative to dealer #1. Again, a win for the seller because he has a better feel for the true nature of the dealer and hasn't sacrificed his starting negotiating position by speaking first. So while I understand (and to a certain extent agree with) your logic, I just don't agree that implementing it will lead to the highest price for the seller....Mike" Mike, I didn't think for a moment that I would convince you.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> While I do believe in fair play, I feel that it should apply to both parties and still think that the owner who is trying to sell something should have some burden to ascertain its value and to quote an asking price. If he can't determine the value, I think it's fine to get opinions and even to solicit offers. But I don't think a dealer should necessarily be put in the position of having to make an offer. And I don't think it's fair if a dealer makes a fair offer, only to have the coin shopped around and sold at an extremely small amount over that offer, to another dealer who knew what price he had to beat. Yes, it's the best thing for the seller, but to me, that's not automatically the same thing as "fair".[/QUOTE]

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