A request for those interested in European medieval numismatics

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  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Hello everyone,

    I'm preparing an article about a specific type of denier tournois assigned traditionally to Louis IX of France, so I'd like to ask of you to please post here your deniers of Saint Louis, if you'd like.

    Any and all additions of deniers tournois of Louis is welcome and very much appreciated and might help me in gathering material for this article.

    Thank you so much!
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Afraid I only have feudal issues. Good luck Seth!
     
  4. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

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    LOUIS IX dit Saint Louis (1245-1270 A.D.)
    Denier tournois
    O: + LVDOVICVS REX Kreuz.
    R. +TVRONVS.CIVIS (N bouleté) / Châtel tournois
    .89g
    17mm
    Duplessy 193
     
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  6. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Wish I had one, but not yet. But I will be interested in reading your article when it is finished!
     
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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Sorry, all I have for Saint Louis is a Gros Tournois.
     
  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    a worthwhile quest. ST. LOUIS COIN 001.JPG ST. LOUIS COIN 002.JPG Deneir St. Louis/King Louis of France 1245-70 AD
     
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  9. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

  10. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    not at the moment, no.
     
  11. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    A question then: between LVDOVICVS and REX and TVRONVS and CIVIS is there a device on the legends or the S is horizontal?
     
  12. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Well-Known Member

    Nope, no Louis here, sorry. Best I can do are a couple of denier Tournois from his grandfather, Phillipe II. Good luck on the article!
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Sorry I'm not much help, i'll pull it out of the safe later today and try to get a better pic of it.
    O
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, much appreciated!
     
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  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Here ya go.. i dreaded digging it out, but i'm glad i did now. I'd forgot how many coins i had of that era. It was like i just got them:) i hope you can see these, this is about as good as i can do. i'm curious as to what it says when you figure it out. denier King Saint Louis d.1275 ad 003.JPG o-1
     

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  18. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    It is a very interesting specimen. The S of LVDOVICVS is vertical but both S's on the reverse legend are couchee.

    Something similar can be seen here. You can note the horizontal S of TVRONVS. Judging from the pictures, which are still blurry, your specimen has both S's on the reverse horizontal.
    An artistic license of the celator?
     
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  19. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    it could be, i know little other than it's a coin of St. Louie. Thanks for the info, if you want i can take another pic not so micro of it.
     
  20. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Conventionally the TVRONVS CIVIS tournois were minted from 1245 to cca. 1270. The different design devices - like annulets, dots, apostrophes, etc might also have reasons other than purely decorative.
    The different shapes of the letters have already been studied and are sometimes taken into account at a more in-depth identification.
     
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