A repaired Aegina turtle stater in auction

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by pprp, Sep 21, 2021.

  1. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    This appears in a current auction listing without any note of the repair.

    turtle1.jpg

    The same coin from an earlier passage in a different sale.

    turtle2.jpg
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Wow. Yep, same coin, all right. I note the same small scratch at 9:00 near the rim. They toned it up nicely, too.
     
  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    So what was repaired, the coin or the photo? It would take me about 15 seconds to change photo #2 into photo #1 with Photoshop.
     
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  5. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    The coin has been repaired - the banker's mark has been filled in. Here's another photo from another venue...
    turtle3.jpg
     
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  6. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Supporter! Supporter

    Wow, well spotted!
     
  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    The first image looks like a bad photoshop blur. The one that @pprp posted shows the filling clearer.
     
  8. Hrefn

    Hrefn Well-Known Member

    I have no idea how a repair such as this could be spotted without knowledge of the prior state of this particular coin. Do we have to scrutinize auction archives on every potential coin on which we plan to bid, not for insight into the desirability and prior sales prices, but to guard against fraud? That makes collecting seem much less fun, to me.
     
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  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Also, why would you fill in the banker's mark. I understand that a "perfect" coin is more desirable but wouldn't the filling in this case make it less so?
    The banker's mark is original to the coin and the time period. I'd rather have one with the mark in it showing it was used in trade vs one that had the mark and was filled to be more aesthetically pleasing.
    Considering these types of coins are way beyond my collecting means, perhaps it just has to do with someone who can afford such a coin and their tastes.
     
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  10. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    Yes, unfortunately you need to check the history of each coin yourself and not assume that experts-advisors-dealers checked it already. And yes this is very demotivating.
     
  11. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    The coin with the banker's stamp sold for 1600 euros. The price without this mark would be 4000-5000 euros. Someone did the repair in an effort to make money.
     
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  12. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Obliterating a bankers mark is unforgivable. It is part of the history.
     
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  13. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    @pprp, have you notified the auction house?
     
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