A Recent Purchase, A Richard II Grote

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by johnmilton, Nov 27, 2022.

  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I just received this coin from a London dealer. It is Richard II grote or four pence piece. All of these coins were struck at the Tower of London Mint.

    Richard II coins are generally hard to find because they contained too much silver. Many of them were melted, and most of the survivors are low grade.

    Richard II Groat All.jpg

    + RICARD x DIxx GRAxx REXx AnGLxZx FRAnCIE Z “Richard by the grace of God, king of England and France” Inner legend: CIVI TAS LON DON “City of London” (mint) Outer Legend: +POSVI DEVmxx A DIVTOR Emxx mEV “I have made God my helper.” Bushy Hair, Type III bust, ‘fishtail serifs on letters. S-1680, N-1321 (a), Very Rare. Ex W. J. W. Potter, English part of the collection purchased by A. H. Baldwin c. 1970-1.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wonderful coin. I don't have any of his.
     
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  4. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    A super coin, @johnmilton. I like the strong portrait. A fine (but slightly crude) halfpenny is all I have of Richard II.
     
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  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's my other Richard II coin.

    Richard II Half Penny.jpg

    Richard III is also hard to get in nice condition. PCGS called this piece "EF-45." The guy who graded this piece probably looked like this. :cyclops:

    Richard III Penny.jpg

    I hope to up grade this in 2023.

    Richard III's successor, Henry IV, is also hard to get. Dealers showed me pieces that looked like they had been run over by a railroad train, and told me they were "a bargain" at $2,800. :jawdrop: I ended up buying a gold noble. It is also over graded by PCGS as an AU-58, :eek: but it's a presentable coin.

    Henry IV Gold Noble.jpg

    All of these coins are hard to get because they many of them were melted. The British finally lowered the weight of their coinage at the end of Henry IV's reign, but he only had a little over a year to live after they did it. Therefore the lower weight coins are still scarce.
     
  6. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The new Richard II is a definite upgrade. Im not well versed on the series, but with your comments on it being tough to find nice examples (always nice to learn something) that coin appears to be really great. Nice pickup and thanks for sharing
     
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  7. BurrosCoins

    BurrosCoins Well-Known Member

    @johnmilton, very nice find. Love the gold noble. I have only a few gold coins but I prefer the older coins.
     
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  8. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Cool cross coin, big ticket item you did well! Very impressive, nice gold as well! :cigar:
     
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