a rare Valentinianus II VOT X MVLT XXX coin

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  1. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Although not the most beautiful coin, difficult to photograph due to the encrustation, here is a small, 12.1mm, 1.11g coin, minted during the fourth period (A.D.378-383). It caught my eye due to its unusual reverse side. val21.jpg
    The obverve legend : DNVALENTINIANUSPFAVG, on the reverse : VOT X MVLT XXX . Minted in Nicomedia, officina SMNB. It should come after RIC IX nr 38.
    Valentinian wears a kind of diadem, which can be seen from the arch at the top of his head.
    RIC IX has recorded 1 piece of THEODOSIUS 1 (in the British Museum) with this VOT legend, minted in Antiochia, under number 57, officina antDELTA, . Of Valentinian II or Gratian no coins with this legend are known.

    Thank you for looking.
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's a nice find!
     
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  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Yes, an interesting catch.
     
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  5. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Is the reading MVLT XXX certain? Following VOT X, one would expect MVLT XX rather than XXX. I don't find the legend VOT X MVLT XXX in Bruck's Kupferprägung.

    If really MVLT XXX, perhaps your coin is an engraver's error, a mix up of

    VOT X MVLT XX (RIC 38a) and

    VOT XX MVLT XXX (RIC 39b).
     
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  6. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Hi Curtislclay,
    Yes, the text vot x mvlt xxx is correct, and good to read with the coin in hand. My remark 'should' come after ric 38, is because in RIC IX, at mint place Antiochia under Theodosius I, 1 coin ( Aes IV (smaller module 12-13 mm)) with this legend is known, which is in the British Museum .
     
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  7. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    @Roman Collector, Thanks for your response, I have had this coin in my collection for over 15 years but recently started cataloging about 350 Aes IV coins.

    @ancient coin hunter, for once I was able to add a rare coin to the collection. Feels good.
     
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  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    That is an excellent rare find.

    I have one for Theodosius on this page:

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type24.html

    I classified it with the VOT XX MVLT XXX types for the same reasons @curtislclay mentioned. In my opinion, the centering of the X above XXX makes it clear it is intentional, although odd.

    Now I'll have to change the page to note the existence of the type for Valentinian II. Congratulations, @sky92880 !
     
  9. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    VOT X MVLT XXX for Theodosius at Antioch (RIC-57, in BM, not in Cohen) could be the same engraver's mix up as on your coin for Valentinian II at Nicomedia, since Antioch too struck the same two correct reverse types for Theodosius or his co-emperors from which the wrong legend may have been derived:

    VOT X MVLT XX (RIC 56c, Theodosius I) and

    VOT XX MVLT XXX (RIC 58a-c, Gratian, Valentinian II, Arcadius).
     
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  10. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I agree with curtisclay, engravers error, the guy ruled from 375 to 392 = 17 years.
    XX make sense ,no sense for a MVLT XXX.

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  11. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your web site and photo of the Theodosius coin. I couldn't find it through the search engines. By the way, it was the unusual position of the top X opposite the XXX that made me put the coin aside at the time, with the intention of figuring it out when I have enough time. Since I never touch a coin to "clean", the right X is less visible. It is there when looking at the coin in sunlight.
     
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  12. LukeGob

    LukeGob Well-Known Member

    Wow! Seriously nice find! I do not believe it's an engraver's error. They look too deliberate, there's at least a couple different Re dies, & now you have one from a different mint and Ruler.
    I actually found one a while back for Theodosius. Got it from Vcoins; David Conners, for a couple bucks. The X to the far L is definite in hand, much more there.
    1.3g
    11mm
    MM off flan, I had assumed Antioch, but, with yours...(lettering, what little there is, looks Antioch)
    Thank you for sharing, that's an important coin.
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  13. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I'll just dive by 2 and call it a day:
    Valentinian II Siscia RIC IX 29 (2020_11_18 03_38_31 UTC).JPG
     
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  14. Paul Bredt

    Paul Bredt New Member

    I have a Theodosius I VOT X MVLT XXX in very readable condition. Mint is clearly ANT(delta) on mine.
     
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  15. LukeGob

    LukeGob Well-Known Member

    Pic? Please & thank you.
     
  16. LukeGob

    LukeGob Well-Known Member

    Pic? Please & thank you.
     
  17. LukeGob

    LukeGob Well-Known Member

    Pic? Please & thank you.
     
  18. ancient times

    ancient times Legatus Legionis


    The mint mark looks like SMNB (Nicomedia)
    Valentinian II
    DN VALENTINIANVS PF AVG.
    VOT X MVLT XXX SMNB in exergue, it is not in RIC IX
    Listed rare
     
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  19. Paul Bredt

    Paul Bredt New Member

    Sorry, just saw this request to post...
    XmXXX final.jpg
     
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