you should see how many I miss I missed big time on a really nice 1878 CC Morgan Dollar - at least it was a nice VAM. Speedy
I suspect there are many that fit this criteria, more than one thinks, but of course it is not provable. It is warm to feel that NCS has all of the experts and all of the proprietary chemicals and solutions that no one else could duplicate, but that is a pipedream as there are many chemists and conservatists that could or have duplicated it all. Jim
Is there anything you look for right off the bat? I think I know just when a coin feels wrong.. just looks a bit off or is whizzed.. ... But the other day I brought one set of Lincolns into my local shop and the dealer .. without hardly looking said.. CLEANED.. Aaarrrggg.. He said they after more looking that they looked cleaned a long time ago.. but still cleaned.. Thanks for any tricks that would help this greenhorn.. .. And still brother.. Ouch.. to the point you are sir.. there was no mixing of words at all in your post.. Cheers Oh for example.. I have this Merc.. Looks like a nice AU coin.. has it been cleaned?
I always wondered why more coins are cleaned when you're trying to sell them and few are cleaned when you are buying them.
There is no trick, it is just knowledge and experience. Perhaps the easiest and first step to that knowledge is common sense. But even before that, there is something else that we must employ - proper use of terminology. That is because there is a vast difference between cleaning and harsh/improper cleaning. The former is OK, the latter is not. There are literally millions of coins out there in the best TPG slabs that have been cleaned, but none that have been harshly cleaned. The coin you pictured for example, while I would agree with you that the coin has AU details, low AU but AU just the same, but look at the surfaces of the coin. Does it look like any other AU example you have seen in a TPG slab ? No, it doesn't. The entire coin is covered with what I would describe as looking much like the frost on a cameo Proof - meaning that the surface is not smooth, but rather that it has a rough texture to it. Kind of like little pin pricks all packed so close to each other that you cannot see any space in between them. And the surface appears whitish almost because of it. Now, it looks ot me as if your picture is actually a scan, and not a photgraph. This alone usually makes seeing any luster difficult if not impossible. But given the look of the surfaces, I can almost guarantee you that the coin has no luster. And an AU coin should have luster. And if an AU coin does not have luster, it is because something has been done to it. Now so far you haven't employed special knowledge to make a determination. You have only used common sense. But yet you know a lot as a result of using that common sense. Now take it one step further. And again, all you are doing is looking at the coin and using common sense. The coin has obviously been in circulation given all the marks and small scratches that are plainly visible. And the coin is 67 years old. But yet there is not one speck of dirt or toning on the coin, not one. There is not even a speck in the protected recesses. Now any coin that sees circulation will acquire a certain amount of dirt or oils from people's hands if nothing else. And any silver coin that is anything but brand new will have some toning, no matter how slight. But this coin has neither, so again, you know something has been done to it. Here is where a little bit of knowledge and experience comes into play, that is in determining what was done to the coin to give it this look. There really is only one thing that removes all trace of luster, removes all toning, removes dirt & oils, and causes that rough texture look - and that is dipping the coin. More correctly, over-dipping the coin. And over-dipping a coin is considered to be harsh/improper cleaning. Now it took me about 4 seconds to realize all of this and it was just by looking at the coin and using common sense - deductive reasoning. With a touch of knowledge and experience thrown in. There was no trick, no special knowledge. It was really quite simple if you just stop and think about it for a minute. That's why the dealer you mentioned above was able to do what he did, as fast as he did.
Thank you very much, And yes.. scan makes the coin look very gray.. She is very bright.. I think that most amateur (like myself) miss putting all the clues together to get the whole picture.. we see nice and bright.. looks AU.. but yes.. take age into account and BAM! Dipped... We ALL need to focus more.. And slow down... Thanks for reminding me..
WoW I just had to say this so it was saved by my browser. & I agree but don't want to remember it all at once.
Hello folks, I’ve come across an 1982 small date ( genuine ) 3.05 g. Lincoln penny. Someone threw In the trash by a dumpster a plastic jug, and I noticed that they were actually full of corroded coins With green patina color, I guess. I’m afraid to try to clean it for fear of damaging the coins value. I suppose that I will send it off for coin conservation, although I’ve never had a coin graded. I’m new, been searching rolls and studying coins for a few years. I been looking for this one, Except for some corrosion this could grade out at perhaps ms67+. I’m amazed, yet heartbroken. Appreciate any suggestions. Tnks.