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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;coppercoins, post: 564102, member: 152&quot;]Okay...here&#039;s very CLEAR warning for the beginners who are confused enough to STEP AWAY from this thread...because it&#039;s about to get a LOT more confusing!</p><p><br /></p><p>So, Conder...</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, in actuality there are two completely different accepted uses for the term - one for the years of multiple hubbed dies on which doubled dies can occur, and the other for the earlier, generally hand-cut dies with punched date characters.&nbsp; Now before we split hairs, there is some overlap between the two and the line is a clouded fuzz...but...</p><p><br /></p><p>The term &#039;die variety&#039; as used for earlier coins (generally seated coins and before) is indeed each individual die pairing.&nbsp; The same thing in later coins would simply be termed &#039;die marriage&#039; and would be left at that.</p><p><br /></p><p>The term &#039;die variety&#039; as used for later coins (generally seated coins forward) means any die that has something different from the norm at the time the die is created - like hub doubling, repunched dates, repunched mintmarks, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thing is, the two terms are NOT interchangeable by the types in which they are used (mostly)...so for 20th century coins, the changing of a die is simply changing die marriage, and does NOT create a &#039;die variety&#039;.</p><p><br /></p><p>I haven&#039;t studied American coinage of the late 1830s-1870s to really dig deeply enough into the various listing systems used for them to figure out whether the majority uses the term for die marriages or whether the majority uses the term for doubling, but I would imagine the latter since none of the dies in this era were hand-cut, punched, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I&#039;m going out on a limb here with my clouded judgement and knowledge in earlier coinage to say that the Overtonian students would call &#039;die variety&#039; a die marriage because the dies were all created with differences in the designs that are discernible usually to the naked eye, whereas the seated students would argue that since all their dies are hubbed with the same design that a &#039;die variety&#039; is an overdate, repunched mintmark, or a doubled die.&nbsp; Therein lies the difference, but for sure all the Lincoln cent students and any other of the same era would say the definition lies with doubling, not die marriage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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