A question about mint state

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Tyler Graton, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Well, I already know Kurt and green18 well enough to know they're survivors. :)

    This place can get rough-and-tumble sometimes, and your reaction to that kind of input has been spot-on. You pretty much had me when you reacted to the derail by linking the Genesis video. :)

    Oh, and as to your original question: If the coin hasn't circulated, it's Mint State. Period. It may be adjudicated "Questionable Color" or something similarly stupid (in the case of your coin, which plainly toned in a roll), but it won't stop being Mint State until an expert can see clear indication of circulation. The grade shouldn't be affected unless the toning is judged improper, at which point the TPG's usually call it "Uncirculated Details" or something like that, and the [strike]anal[/strike]observant collectors among us (raises hand) will usually assign a precise numerical grade for the visible details as if the disqualifying color weren't there.
     
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  3. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    YESSS haha someone saw the music video I posted haha glad someone saw that, i thought it's the best way to explain what happens around here in the coin world haha. Well thank you superdave for your input. I appreciate it and I think I figured it out now guys. Thanks a lot!!! And I appreciate your nice comments:) put a smile on my face IMG_1541.JPG
     
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  4. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Funny @SuperDave younsaidnthat to me right as I was awarded the trophy "addicted"
     
  5. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Numismatics can be a sort of non-pharmaceutical methadone to treat an addictive predisposition.
     
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  6. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    /raises hand. :)
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Really ? According to who ?

    Now maybe it's just the way you worded your comments and what you wrote isn't what you really mean. For example, had you said -

    If a coin has no wear, it's Mint State. Period. ....... but it won't stop being Mint State until an expert can see clear indication of wear.

    - then I wouldn't even be responding. But you didn't say that, so I am. Point being, there are more coins than you can count that have never been in actual circulation and yet are not mint state. And, it's quite easy for a coin to be in actual circulation and yet still be mint state.

    That's why I'm responding to your comments, because should someone read them who doesn't know any better, they might actually believe them just the way you wrote them whether you meant it that way or not.

    And that's why the actual definition of mint state is a coin that has no wear. In other words, circulation is not the defining factor for it cannot be, wear is the defining factor.
     
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  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    This is a VERY hard concept for newbies to grasp. The OP thought the color removed the coin from MS status because many people are confused about what constitutes "Mint State". Spend time getting this down and you are well above the average guy.
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I concede the accuracy of your edit. It was my mistake - resulting in the potential for misinterpretation - to have used the term "circulation" instead of "wear," which is the better choice.

    There are things which can happen to a coin which result in wear, without the coin ever having circulated. The result is still a coin no longer deserving of the term "Mint State."
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I wasn't trying to pick on ya Dave, I just thought it was important that the clarification be posted, for 2 reasons.

    1 - future readers and those who don't know the difference will not be misled.

    And 2 - what you described in your original comment is precisely the standard that the TPGs use to define a mint state coin. Which is why there are oh so many coins in their slabs that are not mint state, (coins that have obvious wear on them), but yet are graded as being mint state.
     
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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'm not at all offended. I waste a bunch of breath around here trying to get people to speak with precision, and deserve to be called out when I fail to do it myself. :)
     
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  12. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    IMG_1739.JPG Ohhhh lord this hurts my brain lol
     
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