Been trying to do some research on this piece I recently purchased. I have found some references in 18th and 19th century literature to similar pieces. From what I have found so far it was a piece of "necessity money". Looking for any info regarding the who/what/where of this coin or token being issued. Thanks.
Hey, don't they know the rule "I" before "E" except after... oh never mind, they're 18th century Portuguese, I guess we can cut them some slack. Nice coin!
It's interesting that the inscription on the obverse is in Latin and on the reverse in English (with poor spelling as pointed out). It could be something related to the port wine trade, which was heavily invested by British merchants Would love to hear the story behind this minting.
That's a great lead. Did some more digging and found a German reference from 1897 that also describes it as a Brazilian escudo coin weight: https://books.google.com/books?id=TTTQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq="portugal peice of" shillings&source=bl&ots=drv9SKRDtP&sig=iCOYAvZHNW6OhKubjqfOCNyz6j8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YlngVPyIGuzHsQTDzIDIAQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q="portugal peice of" shillings&f=false Would have to be a weight for gold, as this is a fairly small copper coin weighing a few grams, so definitely not 9 shillings weight in silver. I originally found a Dutch reference from 1870 that described it as a necessity money: https://books.google.com/books?id=37lBAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA101&lpg=RA1-PA101&dq="portugal peice" of nine shillings 1746&source=bl&ots=Jt4USNqrzH&sig=Ub-HVDU4XH9VRpunuqD_aMtBLzg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7lrgVJXzCYuiNsvVgVA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q="portugal peice" of nine shillings 1746&f=false The coin weight story makes a lot more sense. No way a small copper coin would ever be denominated as 9 shillings for circulation.
Not an "emergency coin" but a english coin weight for a portuguese gold escudo (1600 Reis). Weights/Coins: Three pound and twelve Shillings/Dobra (12800 reis) Thirty six shillings/Peca (6400 reis) Eighteen shillings/Meia peca (3200 reis) Nine shillings/Escudo (1600 reis) Four shillings and six pence/Meio escudo (800 reis) There's also french, dutch, irish and italian weights. Jose
I wonder if both Dutch & Portugal other Kingdom County used the same engraver till 1710-1810?? Photo did 1 engraver travel or Work for more than one Flag or King,Queen Country Just wondering Engraver name is listed Flowers on all 3 coins look almost 1 persons hallmark mint mark ???? Am I seeing things that are not related
This type of design is common on 18th/19th century coins. Plenty more examples out there. Pretty certain it is not the same engraver though.
Just something I was thinking since 1st seen. Style was hard to train otherwise I guess. No real carbon/Stainless steel Tool's
I too have one and was having difficulty determining its origin. Any idea of how the value of such peices (pun intended) is determined?
