Featured A Now-Extinct Animal on a Roman Coin

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  1. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    There is an ostrich farm near us so I have tried it, I didn't think it was worth the price difference against beef. I didn't ask for a drumstick.
     
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  3. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    What a coincidence! I just found a "weird" animal on a tiny coin. I wanted to soak it in distilled water and shoot it again in sunlight tomorrow. But after reading this interesting thread of TIF, I decided to post the obverse even though the condition is not very fine. The reverse also shows another animal. Please help me identify the sort of this animal. The coin weighs only 1.66 g. DynOst S.JPG DynOstr B.JPG
     
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  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Ooo... Apicius has two recepies for Ostrich...

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    Love the tasty coin TIF!
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Looks like two horses with head turned back (maybe).
     
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  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Book VI. Fowl

    CHAP. IV. FIGPECKER [2] rofl.gif


    So I google and come up with Orphean Warbler.......Apparently these little guys like to gorge themselves with figs. Makes sense to me. :)


    [edit to add] And I hear they taste just like chicken.........
     
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  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    You're awesome, Marsha
     
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  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Excellent thread!!
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Edited to remove quote with language violation. You guys know better!!!

    [?? Sorry if I didn't notice a language infraction and if I quoted it.-- TIF]
    Hmm. When you take the new/better pictures post both sides. A standing horse with head reverted always make me think Carthage. Maybe you can find some possibilities there.
     
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  10. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    The closest match for this seems to be the extinct North African elephant.

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    Antiochus IV Epiphanes. AE16. Queen Laodice
    SELEUKID KINGS of SYRIA. Antiochus IV Epiphanes serrated AE16. 175 - 164 B.C. Seleucia-in-Pieria mint. Veiled bust of Laodice IV r. Border of dots / BASILEWS ANTIOCOU, Elephant head left, prow of galley right. Houghton 113
     
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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    The North African 'Forest' elephant is the one I believe you're thinking of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant It went extinct sometime in the First or Second century AD. Forvm member gallienus1 was kind enough to illustrate.

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    Titus
    AR Denarius, 3.18g
    Rome mint, 80 AD
    RIC 116 (C), BMC 47, RSC 304
    Obv: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, l.
    Rev: TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P; Elephant, stg. l.
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.
     
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  12. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    20161201_174222.jpg @7Calbrey Like Ancientone I think its an elephant. Similar to this Seratus
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    Antiochos VI Seratus Ae Dionysos
    21mm, 7.8g, Antioch 145-142 BC

    *Edited* better pic.
     
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  13. SapphireSilver

    SapphireSilver I vote for coins!

    Your post has really stimulated me to start seriously considering ancients. New to coin collecting, and from what I've learned, I've been picking all the wrong coins. Oye. But I'm learning and very interested. Thank you for your very informative post.
     
  14. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Welcome Sapphire!

    There are so many interested aspects to ancient coins you never get bored.
     
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  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Yes, thank you! :)
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    This!

    I don't think I have any obsolete critters on my coins. Maybe a mythical one or two.
    I did learn an interesting factoid from Scott Chesworth's "The Ancient World" podcast, though. Apparently all of the lions one sees in ancient Babylonian art (and maybe that of other ancient Near Eastern cultures) were of a now-extinct species which was smaller than modern lions are. (No wonder they became extinct, since they're so often depicted as being hunted by those Babylonian kings...)
     
  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That ostrich is just in an awesomely nutty pose :). Win!
     
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  18. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here are two shots showing both obverse and reverse. Hope they help a little bit.
    Thank you. TinAnim O.JPG TinAnima R.JPG
     
  19. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Big eggs to you @TIF for that excellent (as usual) thread about an excellent (as usual) coin !

    Q
     
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  20. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Just wanted to say the coin wickedly cool on numerous levels. Me wants!
     
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  21. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Excellent history and illustrations. Fascinating and somewhat saddening to learn that even in ancient times, great animals sometimes became extinct.

    Incorrectly, I had assumed that the elephants on these coins were African elephants, which can be distinguished by having ears roughly in the shape of the African continent. I had never noticed that the elephants on these coins had differently shaped ears. Here's mine (yet again):

    Bc - Titus AR denarius.jpg

    TITUS 69 - 79 A.D.
    AR Denarius (3.31 g.), Rome 80 A.D. RIC 115
    IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG PM Laureate head of Titus right. Rev. TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P Elephant, wearing cuirass, advancing left.
     
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