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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2883187, member: 85693"]A very interesting post, Gavin. Along the same lines, I've done a little research on Marsyas the Satyr (my avatar). Marsyas too represented liberty of a sorts - not necessarily in the modern American sense. Over the past few months this topic has fascinated me -</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are a couple bits from Wikipedia:</p><p><br /></p><p>(From the Marsyas article): "Among the Romans, Marsyas was cast as the inventor of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augury" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augury" rel="nofollow">augury</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-22" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-22" rel="nofollow">[22]</a> and a proponent of free speech (the philosophical concept παρρησία, "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrhesia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrhesia" rel="nofollow">parrhesia</a>") and "speaking truth to power." The earliest known representation of Marsyas at Rome stood for at least 300 years in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Forum" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Forum" rel="nofollow">Roman Forum</a> near or in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comitium" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comitium" rel="nofollow">comitium</a>, the space for political activity.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-23" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-23" rel="nofollow">[23]</a> He was depicted as a <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silenus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silenus" rel="nofollow">silen</a></i>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-24" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-24" rel="nofollow">[24]</a> carrying a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bota_bag" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bota_bag" rel="nofollow">wineskin</a> on his left shoulder and raising his right arm. The statue was regarded as an <i>indicium libertatis</i>, a symbol of liberty, and was associated with demonstrations of the <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs" rel="nofollow">plebs</a></i>, or common people. It often served as a sort of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk" rel="nofollow">kiosk</a> upon which invective verse was posted..."</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#Prophecy_and_free_speech_at_Rome" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#Prophecy_and_free_speech_at_Rome" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#Prophecy_and_free_speech_at_Rome</a></p><p><br /></p><p>(From the article devoted to the denarius of Censorinus): "Another view of the symbolism in this coin is that it is politically driven.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-7" rel="nofollow">[7]</a> Apollo was seen as a symbol of harmony, especially in his manifestation at Rome.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8" rel="nofollow">[8]</a> During this time, Rome was experiencing a period of political upheaval, connected to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_War_(91%E2%80%9388_BC)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_War_(91%E2%80%9388_BC)" rel="nofollow">Social Wars</a>.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8" rel="nofollow">[8]</a> Marsyas was regarded as a symbol of political freedom, particularly free speech. On the coin, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas" rel="nofollow">Marsyas</a> is wearing a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap" rel="nofollow">Phrygian cap</a>, a symbol of liberty..."</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus</a></p><p><br /></p><p>For some reason, the Censorinus denarius is often described with Marsyas wearing a Phrygian cap. He is not - he is bare-headed and bald (and drunk and naked). Unless I am missing a rare variety somewhere. Here is an example:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]691417[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2883187, member: 85693"]A very interesting post, Gavin. Along the same lines, I've done a little research on Marsyas the Satyr (my avatar). Marsyas too represented liberty of a sorts - not necessarily in the modern American sense. Over the past few months this topic has fascinated me - Here are a couple bits from Wikipedia: (From the Marsyas article): "Among the Romans, Marsyas was cast as the inventor of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augury']augury[/URL][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-22'][22][/URL] and a proponent of free speech (the philosophical concept παρρησία, "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrhesia']parrhesia[/URL]") and "speaking truth to power." The earliest known representation of Marsyas at Rome stood for at least 300 years in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Forum']Roman Forum[/URL] near or in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comitium']comitium[/URL], the space for political activity.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-23'][23][/URL] He was depicted as a [I][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silenus']silen[/URL][/I],[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#cite_note-24'][24][/URL] carrying a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bota_bag']wineskin[/URL] on his left shoulder and raising his right arm. The statue was regarded as an [I]indicium libertatis[/I], a symbol of liberty, and was associated with demonstrations of the [I][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs']plebs[/URL][/I], or common people. It often served as a sort of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk']kiosk[/URL] upon which invective verse was posted..." [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas#Prophecy_and_free_speech_at_Rome[/url] (From the article devoted to the denarius of Censorinus): "Another view of the symbolism in this coin is that it is politically driven.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-7'][7][/URL] Apollo was seen as a symbol of harmony, especially in his manifestation at Rome.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8'][8][/URL] During this time, Rome was experiencing a period of political upheaval, connected to the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_War_(91%E2%80%9388_BC)']Social Wars[/URL].[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus#cite_note-Luce.2C_T.J._1968_pg_32-33-8'][8][/URL] Marsyas was regarded as a symbol of political freedom, particularly free speech. On the coin, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsyas']Marsyas[/URL] is wearing a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap']Phrygian cap[/URL], a symbol of liberty..." [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius_of_L._Censorinus[/url] For some reason, the Censorinus denarius is often described with Marsyas wearing a Phrygian cap. He is not - he is bare-headed and bald (and drunk and naked). Unless I am missing a rare variety somewhere. Here is an example: [ATTACH=full]691417[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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