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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Gary R. Wilson, post: 4445871, member: 89935&quot;]Hello all. I have been following the thread &quot;Another Fake from Lanz&quot; and since I have a coin from Lanz I sent images to Robert Kokotailo asking if he thought my coin was a fake. He responded that he felt the coin was good and gave the reasons why which included his thoughts on a different kind of fouree. He said I could share his thoughts with CoinTalk so here it is. I found it very interesting. First my coin and then his response.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1110703[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Otho (Augustus)</p><p>Coin: Silver Denarius</p><p>IMP OTHO CAESAR AVG TR P - Bare head right.</p><p>PONT MAX - Ceres standing left, holding grain ears and long cornucopia.</p><p>Mint: Rome (69 AD)</p><p>Wt./Size/Axis: 2.51g / 19mm / 6h</p><p>Rarity: Very Rare</p><p>References:&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>RIC I 20 (an aureus)</p><p>BMC 9</p><p>C. 11</p><p>RSC 11</p><p>BN 25</p><p>Provenances:&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>numismatic lance</p><p>Numismatik Lanz Munchen</p><p>Acquisition/Sale:&nbsp; &nbsp; numismatic lance eBay $0.00 11/19</p><p>Notes:&nbsp; &nbsp; Nov 21, 19 - The Gary R. Wilson Collection</p><p><br /></p><p>Struck 9 March-mid April 69 AD-note; Muona Group 3, Type 12B</p><p><br /></p><p>From Robert Kokotailo:</p><p><br /></p><p>My impression is that the coin is ancient, and die struck, but is not a product of the Rome mint.&nbsp; More likely it is an ancient counterfeit of a very specific type many people would not recognize.&nbsp; A fouree (silver plated base core coins) but with a base silver core rather than a copper core.&nbsp; That is why you see the bumps where metal in the baser core has corroded and expanded below the surface, and where you see the broken blisters where some of those bumps have burst, but you don&#039;t see the copper core you expect of fouree coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>I had trouble getting people to believe this category of ancient counterfeit actually exists, so a few years ago I wrote a website about one I have in my own collection.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/antonyfourree/fourree.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/antonyfourree/fourree.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/antonyfourree/fourree.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I am still not sure most people can accept this, but I have seen numbers of them over the years.</p><p><br /></p><p>As a rule, an ancient counterfeiter who cannot make a good quality die is knows if someone is looking close the style might realize it is counterfeit right away, and wants to maximize profit on each coin so using a copper core, and is not concerned as much about weight.&nbsp; An ancient counterfeiter who can produce a high quality die is not concerned the look of the coin will give it away instantly, so he is safer if he does something like this and get the weight, look and feel closer.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your example has very good style, but the letters are very thick and flat.&nbsp; That is consistent with the die being produced as a transfer die off of a official coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I discuss that on this page part way down under impression dies, a method used by both ancient counterfeiters and modern forgers, both of whom has the same problem with the method.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/struck.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/struck.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/struck.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Robert Kokotailo[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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