A new coin from 7th Century BC

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  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    EL 1/48 Stater ND (650-25BC)
    6mm. 0.31g.
    Ionia/ uncertain City State
    obv: raised swastika
    rev: incuse four section punch 72117_1-48-stater.jpg
     
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  3. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Coingrats! I do love these little lumps of electrum:
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice! Back to the beginning.
     
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  5. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    Nice addition!! How did they even keep up with those. I'd lose
    that in 5 minutes.
     
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  6. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    I have one that is similar
    Electrum Hekte Unknown mint, Possibly in Northern Ionia circa 600-550 BC obverse raised swastika or mill sail pattern. Rv four part square, Rosen 314 2.71 grms 10 mm Photo by W.Hansen electrum1.jpeg The early electrum coinage has proved to be remarkably opaque and this type is perhaps one of the most. The image is remarkably basic and it is known by a number of subunits all of which would lead one to assume that this coin is very early. However the fact that the main type is a Hekte and not a trite suggests a later date. What really moves this coinage back is that the flans were flattened before striking a process that can be confidentially dated to the reign of Kroisos King of Lydia whose light weight gold as well as his silver coins have both untreated and flattened flans.
     
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  7. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    I also support a 600-550 BC dating for this type of coins. Such a type 1/48 stater (0,34 gram) was found at Artemision but with very difficult conditions for dating. It was found at strata level of mid IV BC, but together with pottery dating end of VII to mid VI BC - looks like a strata level mixed during final temple construction at IV BC.

    No doubt true VII BC (before 640/620) are four-rays lydian lion head coins. May be even from Gyges.

    I have one true VII BC :)

    Трит НС.jpg
     
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  8. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    A very interesting coin with a very ancient symbol.

    Congratulations!
     
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  9. JohnnyC

    JohnnyC Active Member

    Do you have a reference (e.g. Head No) for this 1/48 stater?

    Ross G.
     
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  10. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    Electrum Coins and Their Archaeological Context: The Case of the Artemision of Ephesus

    https://www.academia.edu/41653289/E...Context_The_Case_of_the_Artemision_of_Ephesus


    Hello Ross!
    This coin No. 99 from the catalogue of this article. The full description with situation around this coin is a looooong read chapter 5.2.6. A short summary at page 170.
     
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  11. JohnnyC

    JohnnyC Active Member

    Yes, I found it thanks.

    My impression is that only a couple of the earliest Phocaean standard types turned up in the Artemision context, and this type seems (relatively) late.
    And what does the high gold content mean?

    Ross G.
     
  12. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    I have a suggestion that a gold content of different series may vary at steps in Hacksilber (ingot, cut silver) / electrum ratio. But to proove this theory I need far much more statistic with alloy analises of different types early electrum coins. This is a problem for the moment...
     
  13. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    I think it only looks like swastika, but in fact this is a:

    Obv. Quadripartite raised square of mill sail pattern.

    Rev. Square incuse.

    as it atributed in the article I have cited above.
     
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