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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 7795953, member: 99456"]Congrats [USER=114699]@zadie[/USER], it seems we were both competing for the same coin. I won the second choice:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/octavian-fiscus-sella-5410-jpg.1326396/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Asia Minor, Uncertain, Octavian(?)</b>, circa 30 BC(?), Æ, (25mm, 21.31g, 12h)</p><p><b>Obv:</b> Bare head right</p><p><b>Rev: </b>Fiscus (the emperor's chest), sella quaestoria (magistrate's chair), and hasta (spear) on left side of coin; Q below.</p><p><b>Ref:</b> RPC I <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/5409" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/5409" rel="nofollow">5409</a></p><p><b>Note:</b> smoothing and cleaning marks</p><p><br /></p><p>As you mention the Macedonian tetradrachms of the Roman Quaestor, Aesillas. Here's the Tetradrachm for comparison:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/aesillas-tetradrachm-jpg.1326394/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>From RPC notes we can read some of the challenges to this visual link:</p><p>- none of the OP coin have been found in Macedonia</p><p>- two were purchased in Beirut, Lebanon, so they land on Syrian origin</p><p>- the symbols are all associated with the rank of quaestor propraetore (Grant, M (1946) "From imperium to auctoritas", p.13) and are not only found in Macedonia</p><p><br /></p><p>One other interesting observation from RPC: 5409 is brass while 5410 is bronze</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are my notes on the competing views on who is on the obverse adding a link for Freilander to your excellent OP write-up <b>(</b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/saturday-night-free-for-all.350933/page-40#post-7747140" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/saturday-night-free-for-all.350933/page-40#post-7747140">ex CT Saturday Night post</a><b>): </b></p><p>- "Princeps Felix" coinage from Cilicia (RPC <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082" rel="nofollow">4082</a>-<a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083" rel="nofollow">4083</a>) identified as <b>Augustus</b> have similar portrait style, possibly even same engraver</p><p>- <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Berliner_Bl%C3%A4tter_f%C3%BCr_M%C3%BCnz_Siegel_und/dk1RAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA143" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Berliner_Bl%C3%A4tter_f%C3%BCr_M%C3%BCnz_Siegel_und/dk1RAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA143" rel="nofollow">Freilander (1865)</a> and several others including attributed the portrait to <b>Brutus</b></p><p>- Affoldi and other identified the portrait as <b>Augustus</b></p><p>- M. Grant "From imperium to auctoritas" & M. Price, "Coins of the Macedonians" identified the portrait as <b>Caesar</b></p><p>- RPC concludes <b>Octavian/Augustus</b> - aligned to "Princeps Felix" coins of Cilicia (RPC <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082" rel="nofollow">4082</a>-<a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083" rel="nofollow">4083</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>and in the line of thought of [USER=117904]@Ryan McVay[/USER], let me draw your attention to all of the cool Roman imperial coins....not much to see in the provinces.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 7795953, member: 99456"]Congrats [USER=114699]@zadie[/USER], it seems we were both competing for the same coin. I won the second choice: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/octavian-fiscus-sella-5410-jpg.1326396/[/IMG] [B]Asia Minor, Uncertain, Octavian(?)[/B], circa 30 BC(?), Æ, (25mm, 21.31g, 12h) [B]Obv:[/B] Bare head right [B]Rev: [/B]Fiscus (the emperor's chest), sella quaestoria (magistrate's chair), and hasta (spear) on left side of coin; Q below. [B]Ref:[/B] RPC I [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/5409']5409[/URL] [B]Note:[/B] smoothing and cleaning marks As you mention the Macedonian tetradrachms of the Roman Quaestor, Aesillas. Here's the Tetradrachm for comparison: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/aesillas-tetradrachm-jpg.1326394/[/IMG] From RPC notes we can read some of the challenges to this visual link: - none of the OP coin have been found in Macedonia - two were purchased in Beirut, Lebanon, so they land on Syrian origin - the symbols are all associated with the rank of quaestor propraetore (Grant, M (1946) "From imperium to auctoritas", p.13) and are not only found in Macedonia One other interesting observation from RPC: 5409 is brass while 5410 is bronze Here are my notes on the competing views on who is on the obverse adding a link for Freilander to your excellent OP write-up [B]([/B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/saturday-night-free-for-all.350933/page-40#post-7747140']ex CT Saturday Night post[/URL][B]): [/B] - "Princeps Felix" coinage from Cilicia (RPC [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082']4082[/URL]-[URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083']4083[/URL]) identified as [B]Augustus[/B] have similar portrait style, possibly even same engraver - [URL='https://www.google.com/books/edition/Berliner_Bl%C3%A4tter_f%C3%BCr_M%C3%BCnz_Siegel_und/dk1RAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA143']Freilander (1865)[/URL] and several others including attributed the portrait to [B]Brutus[/B] - Affoldi and other identified the portrait as [B]Augustus[/B] - M. Grant "From imperium to auctoritas" & M. Price, "Coins of the Macedonians" identified the portrait as [B]Caesar[/B] - RPC concludes [B]Octavian/Augustus[/B] - aligned to "Princeps Felix" coins of Cilicia (RPC [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4082']4082[/URL]-[URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4083']4083[/URL]) and in the line of thought of [USER=117904]@Ryan McVay[/USER], let me draw your attention to all of the cool Roman imperial coins....not much to see in the provinces.[/QUOTE]
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