A Little ASE Toning

Dip stains from improper neutralization. We all have a "right" to like what we like; however, most professional numismatists do not think this type of staining - toning is attractive. That said, some astute collectors eventually learn what is considered attractive/acceptable to the "market" and modify their personal tastes.

 

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I'm allowed to like whatever I like. I may not be a professional...but I am certainly a numismastist. I wouldn't want a whole collection like this but I personally think the colors and patterns are interesting. It's only a bullion piece so who cares.

I don't need you to tell me what I should like or that I need to modify my tastes.

 

Insider post #21: "We all have a "right" to like what we like..." This includes you.

I hope you learn to read English someday along with developing an "eye" for what is attractive to knowledgeable numismatists in the "market" and TPGS.

I for one will continue trying to be helpful to your ilk in spite of your lack of knowledge and the tone of your post.

 

And this is why I have no ill feelings towards people making colorful art pieces out of ASE's. Look on ebay and you'll find some interesting science projects.

 

Actually, I can read just fine. I saw what you wrote. You said we all have that right...you are correct. You then went on to point out that "professionals" know better and that "astute collectors eventually learn what is considered attractive/acceptable to the "market" and modify their personal tastes." Clearly, you are trying to point out that you feel that I am an amateur at this.

I actually have a pretty good knowledge base in this stuff. This coin was probably treated in some way chemically before it came into my possession. I have never altered the surfaces on this coin. Over the years that I have owned it, it has developed some very interesting patterns. Just because I find this piece interesting and I enjoy it does not mean that I am in some way not an astute collector or that I don't understand what the market accepts. Because it is a bullion piece, I have never really concerned myself with it and am content to enjoy it as is.

 

Could be but I've also personally seen patterns like this develop on ASEs straight from a monster box left on a windowsill. 999 silver, especially eagles, are a random animal in terms of toning

 

As I told some others in another thread, keep the personal insults off the forum! You have an opinion and posted it, making it personal crosses the line!

 

I agree with this.

@CamaroDMD @USS656

Will do but I hate being misquoted and unjustly attacked!

 

Don't take it personally, Richie. Think of it like a barking dog... annoying? Yes! But if you ignore him long enough he will either stop barking, lay down and be quiet, or go away... all better solutions than getting worked up over his comments!

 

Toning can happen easily with these. In this case the original capsule was warped so I had to put it in an airtite holder.

 

Nice example of peripheral, even brown toning!

 

The 2011-W Burnished ASE in my Anniversary Set is developing the same kind of toning in it's OGP.

 

I think the "random animal" part of this is the individual planchet/coin's reaction to the preparation/strike process. We've all seen (and in many cases, myself included, experienced) enough examples of one coin toning when the identical one next door didn't to think maybe the prep/strike process doesn't result in as monolithic a product result as we might infer.

 

If I were to speculate, I would presume that the packaging actually lends to the toning of these coins.

I have seen many 2011 Anniversary sets (as well as other SAE sets) that have this same peripheral toning. I don't think it's all just coincidence.

 

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Ever so slight, yes, but it's there.

 

Here is one of mine 1996 ASE

 

I've noticed many of the OGP capsules don't come very well sealed.

I guess it could also be caused by chemicals used during minting- similar to the milk spots.

 

The milk spots that I think you're referring to (in the 1960s) were caused by an inability to properly rinse the soap from planchets pre-strike.

These planchets were not subjected to the same process and so I believe that scenario to be unlikely.

 

Google ASE or Canadian Maple with milk spots and there are plenty of reports of milk spots on modern coins.
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/milk-type-spots-on-canadian-silver.262071/
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/876446/what-causes-milk-spots-on-silver-proofs
https://gold-forum.kitco.com/showthread.php?107564-Milk-Spots-on-Silver-Eagle

 

Yes, the answer was the same as mine, except to say that I incorrectly said soap, when it was hydrochloric acid that was used to clean the planchets pre-strike.

I will also add that these articles are all referring to silver coins and an SBA Dollar is clad. The haze is likely caused by the same process though.

The Ike Dollars suffered from the same haze in both Cu Clad and silver clad versions.