A Lincoln with dentils?

I do not know enough to say that you are wrong, but how can you then explain the partial or remnants (i believe) of the rim in front of the denticles on both sides of the coin?

 

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Well it sure excludes a candian planchet that;s for sure, I don;t see and simularities in the deticals on the candian to the op's coin Take a look
Jazz

 

I would like to see a pic. of the edge. Does it look like there is a reeded edge or reeding marks there?

 

rlm,

I could be wrong but I believe that the remnants of the rim from about K11:30to K5:00 and which resides within the inside of the denticles, are the rim portion of the Lincoln Cent Dies. Since the coin was struck slightly Off-Center, you can see the actual rim of the Lincoln cent since it is shifted about 1% to the West Southwest. If the coin had not been struck Off-Center, then it is doubtful that any of the remnants of the denticles from the pre-struck coin would remain outside of the Lincoln cent rim! Although extremely weak and somewhat hard to identify, remnants of denticles exist and can be seen on the Obverse. Had the Obverse Die not been slightly Off-Set (MAD) from the Reverse Die, the denticles would be more visible on the Obverse. I have magnified the Obverse picture by 200% and I know that the denticles are there!


Frank

 

Take a close look, those "whatevers" are inconsistent and uneven. To the untrained eye, they may appear even and identical but they are far from it.

Next, the "whatevers", visible on the reverse were created by metal that was raised and moved around to the front of the coin. Metal that originally was part of the edge.

If they were denticles that were on a coin struck by cent dies, the obverse and reverse would show the same degree of denticles since they would have been on both sides.

They don't.

The extra line around the edge of the coin indicates to me that this con was in an encasement. The coin in the encasement was probably effected by wheatever mechanism was used to squeeze the coin and the encasement together as it was being manufactured.

Dollars to Donuts, the weight of this damaged coin would fall right in line with what would be expected on a Lincoln cent.

Lastly, look under the words UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. There appears to be a depression and I suggest that that depression was caused by whatever instrument, hammer or otherwise was used to whack the coin to remove it from an encasement of some sort.

It's OK to imagine anything and discuss anything as that is what makes this hobby fun.

The coin though is a clunker, none the less.

Have Fun,
Bill

 

Does it weigh 3.11 grams?

 

Coins removed from encasement's sometimes enter circulation, where curious collectors sometimes find them. The act of placing a coin into an encasement distorts the coin, as illustrated by these two Lincoln cents. The 1913 cent's reverse bears patterns from the die that formed the designs on the encasement. Very similar to the one posted.

 

No that is not an encased coin if it were the edge would look like this coin I posted ,and the rim doesn;t look no were like your pics. There also is no flat outside rim on the op's coin which would indicate a encased coin either Like I said ealier the coin is a little off center slight real slight This is post mint tampering damage
Jazz

 

Larry,

Please take the coin to a TPG's table at a Coin Show or send it to Coneca for an analysis, then let us know the verdict....PLEASE!!!!!!


Frank

 

As posted early in this thread, It weighs 3.22.
There is no way someone did this by hand.

It was either part of an encasement or it came from the mint as it is.
I'm still thinking encasement but after years of looking for one that would account for this detail I have yet to find one.

Is 3.22 in the range of a normal cent for this year?

 

IDHAIR WHY DON'T YOU POST A PIC OF THE EDGE MAYBE THEN WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION ABOUT THIS COIN

jAZZ

 

Why? I am sure that the edge looks just like any other Lincoln Cent edge!


Frank

 

I'll be at the fun show next week but I don't think the TPG's would care to see it. I'll take it with me and show it to a few folks there.

 

I would like to see the edge idhair if you could get a chance to post it How are you so sure Frank how the edge looks

thank you
jazz

 

I'll do that jAZZ once I have some time. For now this is the best I can describe the edge. The edge is flat on the normal part of the coin but is dished out in the areas that have the strange detail. It is dished out the most at about 3 O'Clock.

 

jazzcoins...different types of encasements done in different ways produce different types of damage to the edges.

Some encasements wrap around the edge of the coin and you then get the type of edge shown where the rim is flattened.

Some encasements squeeze in on the edge of the coin to keep the coin in place and those have edges like the one you showed.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I can tell you right now that there are holes or notches on it from the denticles. I can see them in his pics of the reverse.

 

I agree but is the weight in line with where it should be.

 

A weight was posted as 3.22 grams, which is within tolerance for a coin that should weigh 3.11 grams. It's a Lincoln cent planchet, struck into a coin and then damaged.

The grime on the coin can add .11 grams to the weight.

 

Larry,

I am sure that Larry Briggs with SEGS will be there! Stop by his' table and if he is not too busy, I am sure that he will be more than glad to look at it and give you his expert opinion. While you are waiting for him to get freed up, take a time to listen to Larry and try to observe the coins that he assesses for others. You will learn a lot. When no one at the Coin Shows can ascertain that a coin is real or what the Variety or Error is, they take it to Larry!


Frank