A Lincoln with dentils?

Hi
....The denticles happen at the moment of strike. A "foreign planchet" is blank. so there are no denticles on a blank planchet, foreign or otherwise.

The coin could not be struck on a foreign blank planchet that had denticles on it. It just doesn't work that way.

It could have been encased and that scenario suggested earlier is possible, yet still unlikely.

It is still 99.99% just a damaged coin hat someone was fooling with.

Thanks,
Bill

 

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I will also add that getting coins certified costs money. It is easy for people who would not be paying the fee to suggest that damaged coins get certified.

There is very little need to send damaged coins to a certification service when there are several people on this forum that can identify 99% of all errors and die varieties.

Thanks,
Bill

 

The thought of a foreign coin is new to me. These are a bit close to size but I don't see how that is possible.

 

That's the point, it was sorta suggested in an earlier post, but it can't happen.

 

Why unlikely? I'm sure a die used to strike the encasement (holder) could have left this on the coin. Just can't find an example of a holder that had dentiles on the inside ring.

 

But, it could have, for instance, been struck on an already struck Canadian cent. It would help if the OP would post a full picture of both the obverse and reverse so we could see any other details.

The trouble is that this one is not one of the 99% that have been identified. It's easy for us to say it could be this or it might be that. What is needed is for an expert to examine it in-hand.

 

It's been looked at by several experts and it's still a mystery but the idea of something like a lucky holder has came up more than once.
I'll work on images as soon as I get some time at home but I can tell you it will be of little help. It's what you see in the crappy image shown.

 

But the canadian cent had denticals inside a raised outer rim. The subject coin has the "denticals" extending all the way to the edge of the coin. The canadian cent and the Lincoln are almost identical in size so the raise rim on the canadian cent would match up with the raised rim on the Lincoln and the fields of the Lincoln would flatten the denticals no cause them to appear on the top surface of the raised rim.

And on the encased coins you may not be looking for a denticaled inner boarder, a beaded one would work just fine as well.

 

That's a cool thought. Thanks.

 

It is very interesting. I'd like to see the whole coin.


Ruben

 

That's why I think it is possible but not likely. I haven't seen an encased cent where denticles were a part of the design toward the inside of the ring. There may be some out there so that opens up the window of possibility. I just have never seen one.

Thanks,
Bill

 

This doesn't hold water. The denticles on a canadain cent are like a series of small dots on the surface of the field , at the rim.

A strike of a lincoln cent over such a coin would obliterate the denticles on the canadian cent.

And this falls within the 99% that has been identified as post mint damage. The other 1% is someones wishful thinking.

Thanks,
Bill

 

I'm not saying his coin WAS struck on a Canadian cent, only that it could have been. If it had been done that way, the "...series of small dots..." would be smashed down, but not necessarily obliterated. The denticles on his coin do appear to be smashed down.

As a point of fact, this coin does NOT fall "... within the 99% that has been identified as post mint damage." You are supposing it was post mint, but until it can be demonstrated how the damage was done, then it remains possible that it is Mint damage, intentional or not.

 

My problem with that theory is, name the US mint coin that currently has detrites?

Ruben

 

To me it looks like someone pressed those into the coin with a machine and pressure, and you can see near the rim an outline of the mold.

Ruben

 

I finally had some time to play a bit. Most ensasement holders were struck with the coin in the holder, but I won't say all were. I could post images of an example of that on an IHC but that would just complicate this thread.
Here are a few quick shots. The camera actually picked up some of the effect on the obverse that I never noticed.

 

Larry,

The new pictures just reinforces my belief that the coin was struck on a previously struck Foreign coin planchet! The Lincoln Obverse and Reverse Dies obliterated all of the original strike on the coin with the exception of the areas from K11:30 to K5:00. Since the coin was struck slightly off-center, we are able to see a small portion of the original design element (the denticles) and the struck rim of the Lincoln Cent in this area, lies on the inside of the denticles. The question is, what was the coin (or possibly Token) that fell into the Striking Chamber and was struck with Lincoln Cent Dies????


Frank

 

The pictures tell a true story only one side of the coin has them and if you look carefully the denticales seem to be wider then less wider then smaller a clear indication this is post mint tampering .

Whoever thought of the idea apparently got tired of finishing the job or maybe he though the job was good enough to fool some of us coin guys

I would say the coin looks like a minor misaligned die, because it didn take any elements out,and the individual that did the work on the coin just happened to pick a coin like that without probably knowing it or maybe he did.He most have said in his little pea brain I have A GOOD SPECIMEN NOW
Jazzcoins Joe

 

Jazz,

Take a look again! The denticles are also visible on the Obverse but less so, as the Dies were slightly mis-aligned during the slightly Off-Center Strike, thus leaving less evidence that they are there. However, they are there!


Frank

 

I don't think so those look more like rim nicks to me this coin was tampered with and the nicks are so tiny.and maybe the individual made those tiny indentations too on the obverse

I really don't see enough evidence to support your theory that this is a foriegn plancet I'ts highly unlikely
Jazz