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<p>[QUOTE="cladking, post: 962000, member: 68"]It's not so much that the sets out there are bad as it is that when these sets were made most of them are quite mediocre. In this case "mediocre" really isn't bad most of the time. The mint set coins are usually far superior to the roll coins so even a typical set tends to be a decent bet for a serviceable coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>But only about one mint set in three will contain even a single gem coin. One in ten will have nice choice coins with a gem or two. One in a hundred will have all gem or near gem prior to 1980. After 1979 gemmy sets get much less common. I believe this is because they started packaging with machines and the human touch was lost. Gem sets become no more common than their probaility would indicate and in many cases this might mean there are no all gem sets. '92-D stands out as one of the worst. </p><p><br /></p><p>Additionally there is a problem with spotting and tarnish. This primarily affects the older sets but the '84-D is getting pretty bad because of the penny. </p><p><br /></p><p>Lastly there's a problem with cherry picking. This isn't nearly as big a problem as some people think because there is a steady flow of fresh sets onto the market by the original purchasers and a steady drain of picked over sets by the wholesalers who cut them up to assemble rolls and denominational sets. Mint sets are the source of almost all BU singles being sold and have been since the mid-'70's. But there is enough demand and enough lingering supply of some sets that the picked over sets accumulate on the market a little. Don't expect to open a dealer's SMS and find a cameo. These were scarce even back in 1967 and two generations of cherry pickers haven't made them any more common. Don't expect to find either a gem kennedy or a small date cent in a '70 set. These are picked over pretty quickly. For the main part the gem Ikes are going to be a big rarity. Of course gem Ikes have always been a big rarity but now even the near gems and choice specimens are getting picked out. Forget a gem unless you have a fresh bunch of sets. </p><p><br /></p><p>Later sets aren't as bad but any set with a large premium is far more likely to be cherry picked than sets with discounts since premium sets aren't destroyed in large batches by wholesalers. </p><p><br /></p><p>The '81 set is very high mintage but one of the more "fun" sets since there are so many interesting coins in it. The S dollar is a killer with only about 3% of sets having a choice coin with near gems and gems being scarce. The Philly quarter will make you tear your hair out since only a few have nice smooth surfaces and most of these are scratched up. The Denver half comes nice but is tough. The type "d" quarter even can have a PL reverse. The cents have a small tarnish problem.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cladking, post: 962000, member: 68"]It's not so much that the sets out there are bad as it is that when these sets were made most of them are quite mediocre. In this case "mediocre" really isn't bad most of the time. The mint set coins are usually far superior to the roll coins so even a typical set tends to be a decent bet for a serviceable coin. But only about one mint set in three will contain even a single gem coin. One in ten will have nice choice coins with a gem or two. One in a hundred will have all gem or near gem prior to 1980. After 1979 gemmy sets get much less common. I believe this is because they started packaging with machines and the human touch was lost. Gem sets become no more common than their probaility would indicate and in many cases this might mean there are no all gem sets. '92-D stands out as one of the worst. Additionally there is a problem with spotting and tarnish. This primarily affects the older sets but the '84-D is getting pretty bad because of the penny. Lastly there's a problem with cherry picking. This isn't nearly as big a problem as some people think because there is a steady flow of fresh sets onto the market by the original purchasers and a steady drain of picked over sets by the wholesalers who cut them up to assemble rolls and denominational sets. Mint sets are the source of almost all BU singles being sold and have been since the mid-'70's. But there is enough demand and enough lingering supply of some sets that the picked over sets accumulate on the market a little. Don't expect to open a dealer's SMS and find a cameo. These were scarce even back in 1967 and two generations of cherry pickers haven't made them any more common. Don't expect to find either a gem kennedy or a small date cent in a '70 set. These are picked over pretty quickly. For the main part the gem Ikes are going to be a big rarity. Of course gem Ikes have always been a big rarity but now even the near gems and choice specimens are getting picked out. Forget a gem unless you have a fresh bunch of sets. Later sets aren't as bad but any set with a large premium is far more likely to be cherry picked than sets with discounts since premium sets aren't destroyed in large batches by wholesalers. The '81 set is very high mintage but one of the more "fun" sets since there are so many interesting coins in it. The S dollar is a killer with only about 3% of sets having a choice coin with near gems and gems being scarce. The Philly quarter will make you tear your hair out since only a few have nice smooth surfaces and most of these are scratched up. The Denver half comes nice but is tough. The type "d" quarter even can have a PL reverse. The cents have a small tarnish problem.[/QUOTE]
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