A Late Republican Cistophorus from "Unknown"

several thoughts come to mind:

• It does seem that recent (1993-ish) hoard evidence is what solidified the more recent hypothesis
• Wandering off-track, I could easily spend a lot of time talking about knowledge management, information theory,and the importance of truth-seeking and information consumer behaviors to success of society...
• As you are probably disappointed that your coin is so much newer than you expected, I can help you get rid of it

 

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Another Fimbria Cistophorus Author(s): Richard B. Witschonke and Michel Amandry Source: American Journal of Numismatics (1989-), Vol. 16/17 (2004-05), pp. 87-92 Published by: American Numismatic Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/43580351

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John

 

In fact, I'm kind of happy that the coin turns out to have been issued around 78 BCE: it puts it right in with my top 10 Republican coins, out of which five were from the period 82-77 BCE, and represented Sulla's past or anticipated triumphs. So it fits perfectly in date, in the fact that it was issued under Sulla's authority, and in the fact that it is, after all, a "Republican Provincial" coin, as I like to call them.

I was understating things when I said that dealers still commonly date these Year 1 - Year 9 Tralleis/Tralles cistophoric tetradrachms, with ΠTOΛ [PTOL-] as magistrate and a small figure of Dionysos on the reverse, in accordance with the "traditional view." In fact, according to acsearch, there have been 36 of them sold under the spelling Tralleis and 7 under Tralles in the last two decades, including almost a dozen this year, mostly by Roma Numismatics. Every single one listed (including mine, sold by CNG in 2010) uses the traditional dating system.* Unless some catalogue picks up the change in scholarly opinion over the last few decades (never mind 1977 and 1932), that isn't going to change.

Thanks again for your help.

* Only one other one besides mine was from Year 8. No Year 9s have ever been on the market so far as I know. On the other hand, I see a lot of Year 2s and undated ones (from Year 1). This is all consistent with the hoard analysis set forth in Dr. Carbone's article. See pp. 172-173, Figure 4c, listing the following numbers for each of Years 1-8: 44, 23, 10, 16, 6, 7, 2, and 4 (with zero for Year 9).

 

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Aristonikos and the Cistophoroi Author(s): John Paul Adams Source: Historia: Zeitschrift für Alte Geschichte, Bd. 29, H. 3 (3rd Qtr., 1980), pp. 302-314 Published by: Franz Steiner Verlag Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4435722

 

Searches in CNG research have uncovered two new dates that were missing from Kleiner's The dated cistaphori of Ephesos.

Date CY 62, Symbol Cock


Date 42, Symbol Fawn


The latter date is symbolic in that that equates to 88/7 BC (Muller dates) when the Asian Vespers took place and Ephesos committed itself to Mithradates Eupator Vl until things went wrong!

Would someone with AC search pro look for the missing year 43? ta muchly in anticipation.

 

if there is one (MΓ) it isn't attributed properly with 43 or MΓ in the description.

 

So it's still a fugitive!