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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4717417, member: 99456"][USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] - whatever you choose to do with the coin it is certainly a puzzle. I like the approach taken by [USER=103687]@abc123[/USER] to compare to other dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6321274" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6321274" rel="nofollow">another coin</a> to add to the puzzle - is has the "open torque" and is paired with the proper CIIII reverse, it is a double die match to the NAC coin from [USER=103687]@abc123[/USER] (GHF - Gerhard Hirsch Nachfolger 2019)</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/43/6127/6321274.s.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Also worth noting that that your obverse die, the NAC-CIIII obverse die and the GHF-CIIII coin all line up well - here's an overlay of NAC-CIIII on yours:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1156508[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>"open ring" is a die/strike issue or a flaw in die copying? As the question/ambiguity over the authenticity of this coin would bother me (especially at the price you shared), I would return it. </p><p><br /></p><p>I won't say that this RR coin is my favorite - clearly I have problems choosing favorite RR coins. I do find interesting the story of Sulla and the fleas <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101" rel="nofollow">from Appian</a>:</p><blockquote><p><font size="3"><br /></font></p><p><font size="3"><i>Then Sulla assembled the people and said to them, "Know, citizens, and learn from me, that I caused the death of Lucretius because he disobeyed me." And then he told the following story: "A husbandman was bitten by fleas while ploughing. He stopped his ploughing twice in order to clear them out of his shirt. When they bit him again he burned his shirt, so that he might not be so often interrupted in his work. And I tell you, who have felt my hand twice, to take warning lest the third time fire be brought in requisition."</i></font></p><p><font size="3">- <a href="https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Appian/Civil_Wars/1*.html#101" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Appian/Civil_Wars/1*.html#101" rel="nofollow">Appian Bellum Civile 1.11.101</a></font></p><p><font size="3"><br /></font></p></blockquote><p>[ATTACH=full]1156510[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="4"><b>C. Marius C.f. Capito</b>, 81 BC, AR serrate denarius, Rome mint</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Obv:</b> Wreathed and draped bust of Ceres right; LXXXXVIII at end of legend, control symbol below chin</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Rev: </b>Husbandman with yoke of oxen ploughing left; LXXXXVIII above</font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Ref:</b> Crawford 378/1c</font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4717417, member: 99456"][USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] - whatever you choose to do with the coin it is certainly a puzzle. I like the approach taken by [USER=103687]@abc123[/USER] to compare to other dies. Here is [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6321274']another coin[/URL] to add to the puzzle - is has the "open torque" and is paired with the proper CIIII reverse, it is a double die match to the NAC coin from [USER=103687]@abc123[/USER] (GHF - Gerhard Hirsch Nachfolger 2019) [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/43/6127/6321274.s.jpg[/IMG] Also worth noting that that your obverse die, the NAC-CIIII obverse die and the GHF-CIIII coin all line up well - here's an overlay of NAC-CIIII on yours: [ATTACH=full]1156508[/ATTACH] "open ring" is a die/strike issue or a flaw in die copying? As the question/ambiguity over the authenticity of this coin would bother me (especially at the price you shared), I would return it. I won't say that this RR coin is my favorite - clearly I have problems choosing favorite RR coins. I do find interesting the story of Sulla and the fleas [URL='http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101']from Appian[/URL]: [INDENT][SIZE=3] [I]Then Sulla assembled the people and said to them, "Know, citizens, and learn from me, that I caused the death of Lucretius because he disobeyed me." And then he told the following story: "A husbandman was bitten by fleas while ploughing. He stopped his ploughing twice in order to clear them out of his shirt. When they bit him again he burned his shirt, so that he might not be so often interrupted in his work. And I tell you, who have felt my hand twice, to take warning lest the third time fire be brought in requisition."[/I] - [URL='https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Appian/Civil_Wars/1*.html#101']Appian Bellum Civile 1.11.101[/URL] [/SIZE][/INDENT] [ATTACH=full]1156510[/ATTACH] [SIZE=4][B]C. Marius C.f. Capito[/B], 81 BC, AR serrate denarius, Rome mint [B]Obv:[/B] Wreathed and draped bust of Ceres right; LXXXXVIII at end of legend, control symbol below chin [B]Rev: [/B]Husbandman with yoke of oxen ploughing left; LXXXXVIII above [B]Ref:[/B] Crawford 378/1c[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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