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<p>[QUOTE="abc123, post: 4716547, member: 103687"]I decided to look at this from a different angle. I searched the databases and found examples of authentic RRC 378/1c control number matched examples of CIIII and CXXIII coins and then compared the obverse and reverse of each of these, respectively, to [USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] 's hybrid coin in question. If they are a die match then this would at least suggest the hybrid coin was struck from official dies. In the midst of this search I also found the Paris (BnF) example of the CIIII/CXXIII hybrid cited by Crawford. Below are my observations:</p><p><br /></p><p>1) Focusing on the CIIII obverse die, the drapery on Ceres and the form of the torque control symbol differ significantly. The torque is closed on the matched coin, whereas it is open on the hybrid coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) Focusing on the CXXIII reverse die, there are differences in the form of the oxen (compare the neck of the ox in the background). Also, differences can be seen in the lettering. The control number matched example uses serifs. The hybrid does not. The form of several letters also have subtle differences (look at the M and SC).</p><p><br /></p><p>3) The BnF CIIII / CXXIII hybrid coin matches DonnaML’s coin in all respects, including the open torque, form of oxen, letter forms, and lack of serifs. Importantly, the obverse appears to have a break in plating within Ceres’ hair indicating it is a fourree.</p><p><br /></p><p>4) The two control number matched examples are of higher weight (3.79 g and 3.64 g) than the two hybrid coins (3.44 g and 3.37 g).</p><p><br /></p><p>Taken together, I believe this is evidence for the CIIII / CXXIII hybrid coin being an ancient plated forgery using dies that differ from authentic control number matched dies. The skill of engraving is on par with the authentic dies. Was this the side work of a mint worker? Interested to hear the thoughts of others.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1156355[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Coin sources:</p><p>NAC, CIIII matched = <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3886120" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3886120" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3886120</a></p><p>BnF, CIIII matched = <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10437196w" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10437196w" rel="nofollow">https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10437196w</a></p><p>Numismatics Varesi, CXXIII matched = <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4875386" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4875386" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4875386</a></p><p>BnF, CIIII / CXXIII hybrid = <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b104372627" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b104372627" rel="nofollow">https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b104372627</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="abc123, post: 4716547, member: 103687"]I decided to look at this from a different angle. I searched the databases and found examples of authentic RRC 378/1c control number matched examples of CIIII and CXXIII coins and then compared the obverse and reverse of each of these, respectively, to [USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] 's hybrid coin in question. If they are a die match then this would at least suggest the hybrid coin was struck from official dies. In the midst of this search I also found the Paris (BnF) example of the CIIII/CXXIII hybrid cited by Crawford. Below are my observations: 1) Focusing on the CIIII obverse die, the drapery on Ceres and the form of the torque control symbol differ significantly. The torque is closed on the matched coin, whereas it is open on the hybrid coin. 2) Focusing on the CXXIII reverse die, there are differences in the form of the oxen (compare the neck of the ox in the background). Also, differences can be seen in the lettering. The control number matched example uses serifs. The hybrid does not. The form of several letters also have subtle differences (look at the M and SC). 3) The BnF CIIII / CXXIII hybrid coin matches DonnaML’s coin in all respects, including the open torque, form of oxen, letter forms, and lack of serifs. Importantly, the obverse appears to have a break in plating within Ceres’ hair indicating it is a fourree. 4) The two control number matched examples are of higher weight (3.79 g and 3.64 g) than the two hybrid coins (3.44 g and 3.37 g). Taken together, I believe this is evidence for the CIIII / CXXIII hybrid coin being an ancient plated forgery using dies that differ from authentic control number matched dies. The skill of engraving is on par with the authentic dies. Was this the side work of a mint worker? Interested to hear the thoughts of others. [ATTACH=full]1156355[/ATTACH] Coin sources: NAC, CIIII matched = [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3886120[/URL] BnF, CIIII matched = [URL]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10437196w[/URL] Numismatics Varesi, CXXIII matched = [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4875386[/URL] BnF, CIIII / CXXIII hybrid = [URL]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b104372627[/URL][/QUOTE]
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