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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4715886, member: 110350"]I haven't been around all day, and see that there are a lot of comments that I'd like to address. I'll try to get to all of them!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm a little confused -- I must be more obtuse than usual today! Are you addressing Crawford's contention that hybrids are (almost) all plated/fourrees, as opposed to his contention that all plated coins/fourrees are unofficial? Or both? Are your hybrid coin and CNG's genuine silver, or fourrees? If it's the former, that would certainly suggest that Crawford's first contention is incorrect.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, how does a combination of 77 on the obverse and 94 on the reverse show a different, more economical option than my coin with 104 on the obverse and 123 on the reverse? In both cases, the number on the reverse is higher, so I don't get the distinction. Also, what do you mean by "thrown out" in this instance -- thrown out in the sense of discarded, or in the sense of "distributed to the public"?</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you see any significance to the fact that there appear to be no recorded or published obverses of this type with the control number CXXIII -- only the few hybrid examples, besides mine, with CXXIII on the reverse and CIIII on the obverse -- whereas there are a number of examples with CIIII on both sides?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, are the first and third of these hybrids genuine silver, or fourrees? If the latter, I don't see any copper showing through.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The dealer may not have noticed the hybrid nature of the coin, but I'm sure he wouldn't deliberately conceal it. Anyway, my feeling was (and is) that I'll consider returning it only if it's a fourree. Although even if it is, it looks so good (at least to me!) that it's difficult to believe that it was made by a private forger as opposed to being an official mint product. I don't know what you think. Thanks for suggesting possible motives of both a private forger and the official mint for putting out a hybrid.</p><p><br /></p><p>And I can understand your point about the "request a partial refund" option being inappropriate, on the theory that either I want to keep the coin or I don't. On the other hand, he could never have justified asking the price he did had he known and disclosed that it's a fourree (assuming that's what it is).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4715886, member: 110350"]I haven't been around all day, and see that there are a lot of comments that I'd like to address. I'll try to get to all of them! I'm a little confused -- I must be more obtuse than usual today! Are you addressing Crawford's contention that hybrids are (almost) all plated/fourrees, as opposed to his contention that all plated coins/fourrees are unofficial? Or both? Are your hybrid coin and CNG's genuine silver, or fourrees? If it's the former, that would certainly suggest that Crawford's first contention is incorrect. Also, how does a combination of 77 on the obverse and 94 on the reverse show a different, more economical option than my coin with 104 on the obverse and 123 on the reverse? In both cases, the number on the reverse is higher, so I don't get the distinction. Also, what do you mean by "thrown out" in this instance -- thrown out in the sense of discarded, or in the sense of "distributed to the public"? Do you see any significance to the fact that there appear to be no recorded or published obverses of this type with the control number CXXIII -- only the few hybrid examples, besides mine, with CXXIII on the reverse and CIIII on the obverse -- whereas there are a number of examples with CIIII on both sides? Again, are the first and third of these hybrids genuine silver, or fourrees? If the latter, I don't see any copper showing through. The dealer may not have noticed the hybrid nature of the coin, but I'm sure he wouldn't deliberately conceal it. Anyway, my feeling was (and is) that I'll consider returning it only if it's a fourree. Although even if it is, it looks so good (at least to me!) that it's difficult to believe that it was made by a private forger as opposed to being an official mint product. I don't know what you think. Thanks for suggesting possible motives of both a private forger and the official mint for putting out a hybrid. And I can understand your point about the "request a partial refund" option being inappropriate, on the theory that either I want to keep the coin or I don't. On the other hand, he could never have justified asking the price he did had he known and disclosed that it's a fourree (assuming that's what it is).[/QUOTE]
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