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<p>[QUOTE="Dafydd, post: 26760313, member: 86815"]My Flemish quarter Noble is no longer on Ebay and a moderator pulled my images here so I am pulling the thread.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some Troll told Ebay my coin was a modern copy and they took it down as being counterfeit. Pity they don't look at the hundreds of fake Chinese copies listed daily, some of which are in slabs. This was the response I sent Ebay.</p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>I can appreciate why an unskilled collector may believe this to be modern.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><i>During the fourteenth century, Continental mints frequently used higher-quality dies than their English counterparts, resulting in the sharp detail seen here. This "perfect" strike is a known historical characteristic of high-grade Flemish-standard nobles, not a modern anomaly. Scientifically, this coin’s 1.59g weight, 20.1mm diameter, and 0.74mm thickness align with the contemporary imitative series recorded in the Schneider Collection (SCBI 47, Ref: Schneider I, 83–84). These Flemish specimens are noted for being struck on broader, thinner flans with irregular edges and weights that intentionally fall below the 1.9g English Tower standard. Specifically, Schneider 68 (LAL dies a/4; Stewartby) records a specimen at exactly 1.59g, matching this coin's mass. The radial distortion in the legend and crystalline stress fractures at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, alongside a lack of casting bubbles or artificial corrosion, are proof of manual striking on cold metal. I will add this to the description.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Ebay restricts you to 1000 letters and spaces so my appeal, was fairly limited to the above and rejected immediately. My coin is a "dead ringer" for Schneider 68 even down to the milligram. Having been a Sleazebay member since April 1998 with 100% positive feedback totalling nearly `1000 transactions I am somewhat disappointed by their kneejerk reaction. I had a snotty message from a relatively new Ebayer who told me <b><i>he</i></b> wasn't happy with the coin and I should take it down and take it to an expert. Before I could reply to him he had complained to Ebay. The coin has flow marks, no uniformity to lettering that you see with copies, passes the gold test and was bought more than 20 years ago. At the time I bought the coin I asked the dealer why it was a copy and not a fake? I was considering buying it because I liked the look of it but couldn't get my head around why a copy had value. The dealer then pointed out a host of indicators including the fact that it was struck and not cast with with flow lines, the edges were not uniform nor were the letters , the colour compared to other medieval gold coins and the flan size and weight concurred with known examples. He said, and it made sense to me, that a modern forger would want it as close to the full weight as possible and the contemporary copies were always lighter for a reason.</p><p>If [USER=77704]@panzerman[/USER] put up some of his fantastic medieval coins on Ebay this guy would probably have an apoplectic rage. Most of them look too good to be true but of course we all know that isn't the case.</p><p>Of course once somebody acts as Judge , Jury and Executioner whatever you say the coin is tainted so I won't be relisting it.</p><p>Life is too short to be upset by self appointed experts so I move on. It's actually worth more in melt value now than I paid for it but there is no way this one will be melted on some fools whim.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Dafydd, post: 26760313, member: 86815"]My Flemish quarter Noble is no longer on Ebay and a moderator pulled my images here so I am pulling the thread. Some Troll told Ebay my coin was a modern copy and they took it down as being counterfeit. Pity they don't look at the hundreds of fake Chinese copies listed daily, some of which are in slabs. This was the response I sent Ebay. [I] I can appreciate why an unskilled collector may believe this to be modern.[/I] [I]During the fourteenth century, Continental mints frequently used higher-quality dies than their English counterparts, resulting in the sharp detail seen here. This "perfect" strike is a known historical characteristic of high-grade Flemish-standard nobles, not a modern anomaly. Scientifically, this coin’s 1.59g weight, 20.1mm diameter, and 0.74mm thickness align with the contemporary imitative series recorded in the Schneider Collection (SCBI 47, Ref: Schneider I, 83–84). These Flemish specimens are noted for being struck on broader, thinner flans with irregular edges and weights that intentionally fall below the 1.9g English Tower standard. Specifically, Schneider 68 (LAL dies a/4; Stewartby) records a specimen at exactly 1.59g, matching this coin's mass. The radial distortion in the legend and crystalline stress fractures at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, alongside a lack of casting bubbles or artificial corrosion, are proof of manual striking on cold metal. I will add this to the description.[/I] Ebay restricts you to 1000 letters and spaces so my appeal, was fairly limited to the above and rejected immediately. My coin is a "dead ringer" for Schneider 68 even down to the milligram. Having been a Sleazebay member since April 1998 with 100% positive feedback totalling nearly `1000 transactions I am somewhat disappointed by their kneejerk reaction. I had a snotty message from a relatively new Ebayer who told me [B][I]he[/I][/B] wasn't happy with the coin and I should take it down and take it to an expert. Before I could reply to him he had complained to Ebay. The coin has flow marks, no uniformity to lettering that you see with copies, passes the gold test and was bought more than 20 years ago. At the time I bought the coin I asked the dealer why it was a copy and not a fake? I was considering buying it because I liked the look of it but couldn't get my head around why a copy had value. The dealer then pointed out a host of indicators including the fact that it was struck and not cast with with flow lines, the edges were not uniform nor were the letters , the colour compared to other medieval gold coins and the flan size and weight concurred with known examples. He said, and it made sense to me, that a modern forger would want it as close to the full weight as possible and the contemporary copies were always lighter for a reason. If [USER=77704]@panzerman[/USER] put up some of his fantastic medieval coins on Ebay this guy would probably have an apoplectic rage. Most of them look too good to be true but of course we all know that isn't the case. Of course once somebody acts as Judge , Jury and Executioner whatever you say the coin is tainted so I won't be relisting it. Life is too short to be upset by self appointed experts so I move on. It's actually worth more in melt value now than I paid for it but there is no way this one will be melted on some fools whim.[/QUOTE]
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